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Old 09-11-2013, 02:23 PM
 
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Originally Posted by HappyTexan View Post
Now that the invasion is off Kerry and Obama need to turn their "proof" over to the UN.
Russia turned their "proof" to the UN so why not the US as well.

You can't keep your proof secret and classified and expect the world to just trust you.
Not these days because the world now knows not to trust what we say.
I would think the world would be hesitant to trust the word of any government. The US government, the Russian government, the UN. While at some point we have to judge what is credible and what is not for ourselves, the idea that the US government is less trustworthy than the Russian government is not supportable.

 
Old 09-11-2013, 02:27 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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I would think the world would be hesitant to trust the word of any government. The US government, the Russian government, the UN. While at some point we have to judge what is credible and what is not for ourselves, the idea that the US government is less trustworthy than the Russian government is not supportable.
That has been the stance of the UN. They will take another country's proof but will not rely on it until they have first hand proof themselves.

They went to Syria, they got their evidence and now are testing it.
In a few weeks we'll know.

Now to help the UN and further provide additional proof Kerry needs to turn over that dead Syrian hair with sarin gas in the DNA and the other secret proof he has.
 
Old 09-11-2013, 02:29 PM
 
Location: Portland, OR
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Oh, look!

It got better!

According to the poll, 61% said they support the president's position on Syria

CNN Instant Poll: Did Obama move the needle on Syria? – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs

Sorry, Obamaphobes. Looks like it's back to the birth certificate for all of you boys.

Of course. Because what Obama did is what the American people wanted.
 
Old 09-11-2013, 02:31 PM
 
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Oh, look!

It got better!

According to the poll, 61% said they support the president's position on Syria

CNN Instant Poll: Did Obama move the needle on Syria? – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs

Sorry, Obamaphobes. Looks like it's back to the birth certificate for all of you boys.

Yes, when his position is that he isn't going to bomb right now, more people are going to agree with that.
 
Old 09-11-2013, 02:33 PM
 
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I would think the world would be hesitant to trust the word of any government. The US government, the Russian government, the UN. While at some point we have to judge what is credible and what is not for ourselves, the idea that the US government is less trustworthy than the Russian government is not supportable.
I would agree with this but as noted, we seem to be the only one not supplying proof. Proof can also be questioned but with none to present you have no justification at all.
 
Old 09-11-2013, 02:38 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Yes, when his position is that he isn't going to bomb right now, more people are going to agree with that.

Quite the diplomat, this young Obama kid. Makes a fine president, he does.
 
Old 09-11-2013, 02:41 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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I would agree with this but as noted, we seem to be the only one not supplying proof. Proof can also be questioned but with none to present you have no justification at all.
And yet the US was full of "trust but verify" coming out of everyone's mouth for the past week.
But we are exempt ?

One has to walk the talk if one is to be trusted.
 
Old 09-11-2013, 02:43 PM
 
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President Barack Obama’s Syria address was widely panned by leading foreign policy journalists on Tuesday night, leading to an intense pushback effort by top White House spokespeople on Twitter.

In messages directed at journalists from The New York Times, Bloomberg and other outlets, the White House communications team sought to wrest control of the narrative going forward, even as the speech was being criticized as among the most ineffective in the history of the American presidency.

“Tonight’s speech was very probably the least consequential vitally important speech ever,” David Rothkopf, the CEO of the Foreign Policy Group tweeted. “President [sent] crystal clear message that on Syria the thing he feels strongest about is his own ambivalence.”


Dylan Byers on Media - POLITICO.com
 
Old 09-11-2013, 02:45 PM
 
Location: Portland, OR
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Quite the diplomat, this young Obama kid. Makes a fine president, he does.
Thanks to the pressure of the American people, we aren't going to war. I'm so happy Obama saw things our way. Go Obama Go.
 
Old 09-11-2013, 02:49 PM
 
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http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/26/opinio...-problem/index.

This is an article by Peter Bergen of CNN which explains the "calculus" of any military action the U.S. might take toward Syria. It is not long, and it is informative

Andrew Roberts: Syria's Gas Attack on Civilization - WSJ.com

This is a lengthier, but not horribly long, article about why the U.S. will/should intervene militarily.

I have never wanted our forces to get involved in this. But the gassing of citizens, men, women and children is a heinous offense. I suspect that Assad feels he is not making progress, or is not doing so fast enough. So he murdered Syrian civilians. The second article puts him in the same class as Hitler and Mussolini.

At least after reading it I understand why the U. S. feels it must act. Apparently the government will use cruise missiles, not air power or boots on the ground. Even if you don't want our government to act, reading these pieces will help you understand why it is deemed important to do so.

I am on the fence on this. What do you think?
... cut off its head. Why are we playing with this guy? Assad is an outlaw right?
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