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Now FancyFeast, don't be saying the "S" word and cause people to realize they love socialism. Lets see here how many socialism programs are in the U.S. Farm subsides, medicare, medicade, social security. People don't realize that they take part in socialism, if we didn't have it bread would be 10 bucks a loaf and milk would be 15 bucks a gallon.
Milk would be a $1/gallon.
Government keeps milk prices high.
When the prices collapses farmers dumped the milk rather than sell it at a lower cost.
And you lumped means tested welfare programs with contribution based systems.
They are separate programs and yes, most would opt out today if given the chance for the contribution based systems.
YOU brought up the subject of mentally retarded people have many public assistance programs, or I think the way you put it was that the government provides for them. It was NOT my argument. Also, people who bring up opinions like most people over 40 and work at minimum wage jobs are criminals, have a bad work history, and or have drug problems, as well as people who say the government provides well for mentally retarded need to provide support for those opinions/statements.
IMO, one solution is that large companies and corporations recognize that they do have a Social Responsibility to their customers and the country where they've made so much money and thereby need to pay their employees a living wage so the country can continue to have a good economy and the citizens are able to buy the products/services of those companies and corporations. It's a circle actually. When you break the circle, the system fails.
They don't see the full economic circle because they have blinders on and want to try and pick little details of it to whine about. It's a lack of education in economics, and really makes an intelligent conversation about the situation very difficult. People would rather sit back and point fingers at one group or another, I suppose it's the new American way of doing things.
That is what a lot of people feel like doing. What do you mean that money is gone? Did it just disappear, or did you say that because you have no idea what needs to be done? That money put into circulation by Bush and Obama kept the economy from a complete crash like during the great depression. Trust me I don't like national debt anymore than you, but you have to be careful in saying things when you aren't seeing the entire economic cycle or understand it.
You are arguing in circular nonsensical mumbo jumbo. You argue the problem is that the government provided all of this money but it's not being put into circulation but then you argue that the circulation of this money is what saved us from ruination.
You have to be careful in listening to what the snake oil salesmen are telling you. Did the sequester cause people to die in the streets like it was claimed? Did any planes fall from the sky?
Well, SS is still socialism. And I'd be willing to guess that most people who are old enough to receive the benefit, would not TODAY go back and undo it. Especially Medicare. Medicare is a huge benefit for our seniors.
That doesn't address why they should give up something they have been forced to pay for.
Milk would be a $1/gallon.
Government keeps milk prices high.
When the prices collapses farmers dumped the milk rather than sell it at a lower cost.
And you lumped means tested welfare programs with contribution based systems.
They are separate programs and yes, most would opt out today if given the chance for the contribution based systems.
You are wrong about farm subsidies, go look it up. The industry is given handouts from the crops grown all the way through until it's on your table. Trust me, my family took all the programs out there raising cattle and wheat, it keeps farmers in business, otherwise they would all go broke and prices would skyrocket.
YOU brought up the subject of mentally retarded people have many public assistance programs, or I think the way you put it was that the government provides for them. It was NOT my argument. Also, people who bring up opinions like most people over 40 and work at minimum wage jobs are criminals, have a bad work history, and or have drug problems, as well as people who say the government provides well for mentally retarded need to provide support for those opinions/statements.
IMO, one solution is that large companies and corporations recognize that they do have a Social Responsibility to their customers and the country where they've made so much money and thereby need to pay their employees a living wage so the country can continue to have a good economy and the citizens are able to buy the products/services of those companies and corporations. It's a circle actually. When you break the circle, the system fails.
The bolded statement is nothing but smoke and mirrors. Employers do not have a "Social Responsibility" to pay a "living wage" (still waiting on the definition of that term, btw). The very nature of this argument makes it a straw man. Who sets this so-called living wage? Who decides when it changes? What happens when this living wage gets so high that the company is no longer making a profit and needs to raise their prices in order to cover the massive amount of outlay that is going to their employees? Does the "living wage" go up when their prices go up? A bit self-defeating there.
And you are not living in a Utopian world which ensures equal outcome.
As for what kind of jobs we can expect? Well, let's think about that. There are somewhere between 8,000 and 10,000 baby boomers turning 65 every day. Do you think they might need medical care? Perhaps that would be a field to look into.
We live in a world that runs on computers. Estimates are that there will be a need for more than 1 million workers over the next 6 years in Cisco related network fields alone. Cisco is merely a fraction of the overall technology field. Might be a good option for people to look at.
Aside from those two, there are positions in technical jobs - those that require certification in other words - such as physical therapy, dental hygienists, veterinary techs, and others which pay quite a bit more than fast food. And those fields are growing almost as fast as the medical fields are.
Once again, the jobs are out there. They just take a bit of effort and determination to get into. Unlike jobs in fast food, which require that you be breathing and that you show up fairly regularly. Note: before you accuse me of being unsympathetic or looking down on people who work fast food, remember that I worked fast food for 3 years or so. Then I moved on to jobs that paid better wages, which is what the people currently working in fast food need to do.
How old are you? ALL of the jobs/careers you listed require special training and education. Training and formal Education are not FREE. So how does an adult who lost a manufacturing job with a livable wage and is now working for minimum wage in the service industry or a WalMart type place going to pay for a college/university education, especially in the medical field? Can you tell me where one can get a formal education in "computers" these days for free? You seem to ignore that there are actually lots of college educated people out there these days who are unable to get jobs in their fields of study because there are so few of those jobs available. Btw, what makes you think that vet techs make more than minimum wage?????
[quote=pknopp;31205828]You are arguing in circular nonsensical mumbo jumbo. You argue the problem is that the government provided all of this money but it's not being put into circulation but then you argue that the circulation of this money is what saved us from ruination.
You have to be careful in listening to what the snake oil salesmen are telling you. Did the sequester cause people to die in the streets like it was claimed? Did any planes fall from the sky?[/QUOTE
You have no clue economic systems that is obvious. Go look it up and read about it, educate yourself then come back with a better understanding and try to back your ideas with real arguements.
YOU brought up the subject of mentally retarded people have many public assistance programs, or I think the way you put it was that the government provides for them. It was NOT my argument. Also, people who bring up opinions like most people over 40 and work at minimum wage jobs are criminals, have a bad work history, and or have drug problems, as well as people who say the government provides well for mentally retarded need to provide support for those opinions/statements.
Some are people forced back into the markets because the governments long standing policy of artificially low interest rates. You are the one arguing that people are mean for not considering the plight of the mentally challenged. They are being taken care of. It's a non argument.
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IMO, one solution is that large companies and corporations recognize that they do have a Social Responsibility to their customers and the country where they've made so much money and thereby need to pay their employees a living wage so the country can continue to have a good economy and the citizens are able to buy the products/services of those companies and corporations. It's a circle actually. When you break the circle, the system fails.
These jobs were never intended to be ones that you provide for a family on. No, the solution is to quit running off the good paying jobs and flooding the labor market with millions more than we have a need for.
Obama said when he was still candidate Obama that he was going to do something about companies that are offshoring jobs. It was one area I agreed with him on but I doubted he would actually do anything. I was correct.
They don't see the full economic circle because they have blinders on and want to try and pick little details of it to whine about. It's a lack of education in economics, and really makes an intelligent conversation about the situation very difficult. People would rather sit back and point fingers at one group or another, I suppose it's the new American way of doing things.
Said the person complaining that the rich are not spending enough to suit them.
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