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Old 09-01-2013, 09:35 AM
 
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The issue is not that women can't fight. If they can pass the same tests as the men, then they can fight.

The issue is, now women can get drafted into combat positions.

People seem to lack the foresight that at some point in the future, perhaps the near future, a draft could be initiated. It's bad enough having your son go to the front lines, but now your daughter will join him.

Hopefully, the US will not ever find itself in that position, but it is very audacious to neglect factoring that aspect in the recent law that passed, permitting women to be in combat positions.

 
Old 09-01-2013, 09:39 AM
 
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Those women in the Soviet Army were few and far between. And they served as Snipers. Hardly as straining and vigourous and being on the front line.

I think women can serve as medics, field engineers etc.. Actual fighting? No. What if a woman has her period in the middle of a 10 day mission? She is also succeptible to vaginal infections without proper hygene. I also highly doubt a female can carry 80 pounds in gear, plus for example a heavy m249 Light Machine Gun. But I do agree that females should be able to serve in non combat front line roles. It's not worth it to change the rules, tradition, and a system that has worked for thousands of years to accomodate the very very few women who will be up to the task.

I think what's pissing a lot of people off, including males in the army is the fact that these women will have their standards lowered significantly in order to recruit them. There was a story a while back I was reading (I tried to look for the source) 4 females participating in one of the regular standardized physical tests.. I think 2 dropped out and the other 2 failed miserably.
I disagree with you on this one. There were whole women units on the font lines in Russia and as told to me by a former German soldier who surived only by outrunning them in full retreat, they were more than merely competent. They were fearless and totally committed with yeast infections probably not slowing them down a bit.

His memory is one of being miserably cold, scavenging better condition greatcoats, boots and socks off of dead compatriots and huddling lethargically in shallow trenches they were able to scratch out of the frozen ground, suddenly having their pulse rate go into the stratosphere at the sound and sight of a line of screaming women running headlong at them firing those PPHS 41's (71 round drum mags, 900 rounds per second) from the hip. He said it was like someone flipped a switch with all of his fellow soldiers deciding at the same split second to run like hell, dropping or shedding anything heavy that slowed them down as they ran, like rifles, grenade bags and those greatcoats.

Those women were kept supplied by even younger girls carrying multiples of those heavy drum mags without being armed at all so they could keep up in the deep snow.
 
Old 09-01-2013, 09:40 AM
 
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The issue is not that women can't fight. If they can pass the same tests as the men, then they can fight.

The issue is, now women can get drafted into combat positions.

People seem to lack the foresight that at some point in the future, perhaps the near future, a draft could be initiated. It's bad enough having your son go to the front lines, but now your daughter will join him.

Hopefully, the US will not ever find itself in that position, but it is very audacious to neglect factoring that aspect in the recent law that passed, permitting women to be in combat positions.
Of course that can't happen, just like the Germans could never find a way to defeat the Maginot line right?

Wow, women in combat is probably the most arrogant thing any country has ever done.

If a woman gets into a hand to hand combat duel with a hard core enemy, that enemy will toy with her before he guts her after he does other things to her. This is so ridiculous. This woman in combat cute little fad will go away so quickly if there is ever a real war.
 
Old 09-01-2013, 09:40 AM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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Originally Posted by Del Boy View Post
The issue is not that women can't fight. If they can pass the same tests as the men, then they can fight.

The issue is, now women can get drafted into combat positions.

People seem to lack the foresight that at some point in the future, perhaps the near future, a draft could be initiated. It's bad enough having your son go to the front lines, but now your daughter will join him.

Hopefully, the US will not ever find itself in that position, but it is very audacious to neglect factoring that aspect in the recent law that passed, permitting women to be in combat positions.
If the draft is ever re-instituted, everyone should serve, regardless of gender.
Personally, I think that everyone should be required to serve in some capacity anyway, just as is done in Israel.
 
Old 09-01-2013, 09:43 AM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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If the draft is ever re-instituted, everyone should serve, regardless of gender.
Personally, I think that everyone should be required to serve in some capacity anyway, just as is done in Israel.
What about age? Why do you think there is a age limit to join the military?
 
Old 09-01-2013, 09:46 AM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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What about age? Why do you think there is a age limit to join the military?
What about age?
Do you think that the current age requirements would change if the draft is brought back?

Odd response, to say the least.
 
Old 09-01-2013, 09:48 AM
 
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If the draft is ever re-instituted, everyone should serve, regardless of gender.
Personally, I think that everyone should be required to serve in some capacity anyway, just as is done in Israel.
Have you ever served in the military? Would you be the first in line at the draft office?
 
Old 09-01-2013, 09:51 AM
 
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Have you ever served in the military? Would you be the first in line at the draft office?
There was no line at the draft office.

They sent the letter. And they got very upset if anyone said, "No thanks."
 
Old 09-01-2013, 09:53 AM
 
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There was no line at the draft office.

They sent the letter. And they got very upset if anyone said, "No thanks."
Yes, but if you know a draft is going to be instituted, you could easily be pro-active and register before your number is called.
 
Old 09-01-2013, 09:53 AM
 
Location: The West
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Oh; and all of their male counterparts are 220lbs. Give me a freak'n break here. I've seen guys that weighed less than 175lbs hump a full pack on an all day route march and still able to kick the chit out the 220lb'er afterwards.

That's called training and women thusly trained are every bit as competent as similarly trained men.

You judge your opponent's battlefield capability by his size alone, you're gonna lose.

Audie Murphy weighed how much again?

He attempted to join the Marines, the Navy and the Army but was turned down due to his age and weight so he changed his diet and put on weight, lied about his age and enlisted into the Army at 5' 5" tall and weighing only 112lbs.

Bradley Manning is bigger than Audie was.
I don't think you understand that for example a 140 lb male is significantly stronger than a 140 lb female.
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