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Old 09-04-2013, 07:46 PM
 
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There's no loss involved in the download. I'm tired of being redundant.


So if you download piece of software that I'm selling for $20K and then use it for your own gain, I have lost nothing?
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Old 09-04-2013, 07:47 PM
 
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I just don't. Just like I didn't think it was immoral when i used to make copies of cassettes when I was a kid.

It's illegal and i recognize that but there are a lot of illegal things that I don't consider immoral.

It doesn't feel like theft. And the reason it doesn't is that to me its not a choice of either a) buying the song or b) downloading the song. It's a choice of downloading the song or not downloading the song. There's no intention to purchase the song if i can't download it. Therefore, there is no loss of revenue to the producer. I had no intention to ever buy the song.
But copyright infringement is not about theft. It's about respecting the author's copyright. If the author has a clause that says "if you're not going to purchase it anyways, then feel free to use it"... then sure. But the author/owner has explicitly forbid you from using it. I don't see how you don't see that breaking the authors request is immoral.
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Old 09-04-2013, 07:48 PM
 
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If you had no interest in paying for it why are you downloading it to begin with?

You are downloading it because it has value to you, correct?
curiosity.

a friend of mine says that I need to hear this band. So I download them.

If i didn't have the opportunity to download them I wouldn't go and purchase an album just because of a recommendation. Prior to file sharing i would have had a friend make a tape of the band for me.
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Old 09-04-2013, 07:48 PM
 
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curiosity.

a friend of mine says that I need to hear this band. So I download them.

If i didn't have the opportunity to download them I wouldn't go and purchase an album just because of a recommendation. Prior to file sharing i would have had a friend make a tape of the band for me.
You can typically sample the bands music on Amazon.
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Old 09-04-2013, 07:50 PM
 
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But copyright infringement is not about theft. It's about respecting the author's copyright. If the author has a clause that says "if you're not going to purchase it anyways, then feel free to use it"... then sure. But the author/owner has explicitly forbid you from using it. I don't see how you don't see that breaking the authors request is immoral.
well I don't and I don't care if you don't understand why. It's no more immoral than the mixed-tape in the 1990's was immoral.

Actually the artist should be happy about it(and many are). Someone is listening to their music that otherwise wouldn't have been. That someone may tell five other people about that band and out of those five, two of them buy an album or go to a show of the band etc.
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Old 09-04-2013, 07:53 PM
 
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i actually don't dload much music. I mostly listen to pandora.

What i do download off of torrent sites are TV shows.
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Old 09-04-2013, 07:54 PM
 
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i actually don't dload much music. I mostly listen to pandora.

What i do download off of torrent sites are TV shows.

So you're a thief?
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Old 09-04-2013, 07:54 PM
 
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You can typically sample the bands music on Amazon.
yeah or i can go on youtube. Or i can just go on a torrent site and download the whole album.
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Old 09-04-2013, 07:56 PM
 
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So you're a thief?
i am to you whatever you choose to call me. What you choose to call me defines who i am to you. Not who i am to me.

Oh i download movies too. I just downloaded a copy of the Gregory Peck "Moby Dick" that I couldn't find anywhere.
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Old 09-04-2013, 07:57 PM
 
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curiosity.

a friend of mine says that I need to hear this band. So I download them.

If i didn't have the opportunity to download them I wouldn't go and purchase an album just because of a recommendation.
Whether you can download it for free is not your decision. I don;t agree with a lot of the practices of the big media companies and I think they really need to shift to a different business model but that's up to them.
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