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Old 09-10-2013, 03:07 PM
 
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How is it not relevant to quote Trumbull himself stating exactly what the "subject to the jurisdiction" requirement means?
Because you conveniently ignore that Trumbull's remarks were addressing concerns about American Indians and their citizenship, and were not addressing concerns about children of immigrants.
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Old 09-10-2013, 03:07 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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Maskell's report is useless. He was caught being dishonest.
Maskell's report is still being cited by members of the US Congress as authoritative enough to go tell birthers to pound sand.

Useless, you say? It does not appear that you understand what useless means.
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Old 09-10-2013, 03:09 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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Truth will out.
More than 200 times.

http://tesibria.typepad.com/whats_yo...ASE%20LIST.pdf
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Old 09-10-2013, 03:10 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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And all the pages together in concert are an explication of the changes in British Nationality law that took place in 1981.
Which you have neglected to mention gives specific information for those born abroad before the law took effect in 1983:
UK Border Agency | If you were born outside the United Kingdom or a qualifying territory

I already posted it, but you'd rather not see the truth.
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Old 09-10-2013, 03:10 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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Truth will out.
More than 200 times in just the last five years.

http://tesibria.typepad.com/whats_yo...ASE%20LIST.pdf
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Old 09-10-2013, 03:12 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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Which you have neglected to mention gives specific information for those born abroad before the law took effect in 1983:
How would that be relevant to your misrepresentation?
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Old 09-10-2013, 03:14 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Here for example is an application for a US passport.

Passport Application: DS 11

Try and get one without proving you are a citizen in the exact same way an Italian has to prove their citizenship to get an Italian one.
Exact same way? Wow. No. Not at all.

The U.S. passport is 1 form. You linked it yourself.

The application for Italian jus sanguinis citizenship is 4 forms, requires notarization, and other extensive documentation. I've already linked those.
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Old 09-10-2013, 03:26 PM
 
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Yesterday a video was briefly released (and then suddenly scrubbed).....
yep.

http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogs...ama-fraud.html

"Sorry, the page you were looking for in this blog does not exist."

would have liked to have seen it.
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Old 09-10-2013, 03:54 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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Exact same way? Wow. No. Not at all.
Exactly the same way.

If you want to access the benefits of citizenship, you must apply for them and prove you deserve them.

Even if you are a US citizen born on US soil to two US citizen parents.

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The U.S. passport is 1 form. You linked it yourself.
So what? Are you now going to argue that citizenship law is based on the number of pieces of paper you fill out? Would the law suddenly be completely different if the Italians put all four of those forms on a single page?



How desperate do you have to be to move the goalposts completely off planet and pretend that you decide if laws are the same or different based on the number of pieces of paper the bureaucracy uses?

Do you have any idea how pathetic your argument has become?

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Old 09-10-2013, 03:55 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Okay. Please tell us what PERMANENT DOMICILE means to you. Is it signing a lease?
Clearly not, as millions of college students paying out-of-state tuition can tell you.

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Domicile is a legal term. (Sometimes the term “legal residence” is used to mean the same thing, but to avoid confusion we will use only “domicile.”) Under English Common Law you acquire at birth the domicile of your parents (which may or may not be where you are born), and your domicile is the same as that of your parents as long as you are a minor. Thereafter, you may acquire a new domicile of your own. The general rule is that to do so you must go to the new location, establish actual residence there, and concurrently have the intention of remaining there indefinitely or of returning there after any temporary absences. Although you may have many residences, you only have one domicile.
Residence and Domicile

We know that Obama's father was always in the country on only a temporary authorization, and returned to Kenya in 1964.
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