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We know that Obama's father was always in the country on only a temporary authorization, and returned to Kenya in 1964.
But whenever he left his domicile in Massachusetts, the place where he kept his belongings, received his mail, told people that's where he lived, and always returned to after brief absences, it sure sounds like a domicile to me.
That's why I asked you to explain to us, preferably in your own words, what "Permanent Domicile" means to you.
Trumbull and the Judiciary Committee when drafting, presenting, and ultimately guiding the ratification of the 14th Amendment specifically chose to exclude those "owing allegiance to anybody else."
But he was talking about American Indians. You do understand that, right?
He was speaking explicitly and exclusively about the Indians.
Nobody else.
Sorry, no. He didn't exclude only those owing allegiance to Indian Nations. He specifically excluded those "owing allegiance to anybody else."
Which is EXACTLY why U.S. Secretaries of State determined that those born in the U.S. to alien fathers were NOT U.S. citizens at birth. That fact is even cited in the determination.
Sorry, no. He didn't exclude only those owing allegiance to Indian Nations. He specifically excluded those "owing allegiance to anybody else."
Which is EXACTLY why U.S. Secretaries of State determined that those born in the U.S. to alien fathers were NOT U.S. citizens at birth. That fact is even cited in the determination.
Sorry, yes.
The conversation he was having was about American Indians. He was discussing American Indians.
That's the problem when you pull out a few sentences and try to interpret them in a broader fashion than the words were intended. There were members of the legislature concerned about how the 14th Amendment would be applied to American Indians, and he was addressing their concerns ABOUT HOW THE 14TH AMENDMENT WOULD BE APPLIED TO AMERICAN INDIANS. Really, go back and read all Trumbull's comments.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.
"The provision is, that ‘all persons born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens.’ That means ‘subject to the complete jurisdiction thereof.’ What do we mean by ‘complete jurisdiction thereof?’ Not owing allegiance to anybody else. That is what it means."
But whenever he left his domicile in Massachusetts, the place where he kept his belongings, received his mail, told people that's where he lived, and always returned to after brief absences, it sure sounds like a domicile to me.
Doesn't work for college students. Won't work for Obama Sr.
"The provision is, that ‘all persons born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens.’ That means ‘subject to the complete jurisdiction thereof.’ What do we mean by ‘complete jurisdiction thereof?’ Not owing allegiance to anybody else. That is what it means."
Trumbull's role in drafting and introducing the Civil Rights Act of 1866 and the 14th Amendment: Committee History
"anybody else"
Why are you so afraid of the actual source of the meaning of the "subject to the jurisdiction" requirement? Why are you so afraid of the truth?
I'm not afraid of the source. I'm pointing out to you that the quote you keep repeating was in response to members of Congress who were concerned about the impact the 14th Amendment would have on American Indians. That's a FACT, too. One of the FACTS you try to wish away.
But he was talking about American Indians. You do understand that, right?
IF he had said "Indian Nations" you would have a point. But he didn't. He specifically said "anybody else" AND "some other government."
"The provision is, that ‘all persons born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens.’ That means ‘subject to the complete jurisdiction thereof.’ What do we mean by ‘complete jurisdiction thereof?’ Not owing allegiance to anybody else. That is what it means."
Trumbull's role in drafting and introducing the Civil Rights Act of 1866 and the 14th Amendment: Committee History
"It cannot be said of any Indian who owes allegiance, partial allegiance if you please, to some other Governmentthat he is 'subject to the jurisdiction of the United States.' " http://memory.loc.gov/ll/llcg/073/0000/00152893.tif
I'm not afraid of the source. I'm pointing out to you that the quote you keep repeating was in response to members of Congress who were concerned about the impact the 14th Amendment would have on American Indians.
In WKA, Gray was ruling only about the son of Chinese immigrants in U.S. v. Wong Kim Ark. Therefore, according to your logic, that ruling excludes all children of green card (legally recognized permanent resident) immigrants NOT of Chinese descent from birthright U.S. citizenship.
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