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Old 09-20-2013, 11:47 AM
 
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What compromises? Hahaha, you're funny.
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Old 09-20-2013, 11:50 AM
 
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As usual, the media is forecasting doom and gloom if the Democrats decide to shut down the government. But in fact, not much gets shut down: All "essential services" keep running.

It brings up the question: If certain services aren't "essential", why is the government doing them in the first place?

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Yakima Herald Republic | The truth: Government won

The truth: Government won’t really shut down

Posted on September 20, 2013
Andrew Taylor
The Associated Press

WASHINGTON — Here’s the truth about a government “shutdown.” The government doesn’t shut down.
So the world won’t end if a dysfunctional Washington can’t find a way to pass a funding bill before the new budget year begins Oct. 1.




(Full text of the article can be read at the above URL)
What compromise?

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Old 09-20-2013, 11:51 AM
 
Location: 500 miles from home
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Nice try. But the American people won't buy what you are selling.
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Old 09-20-2013, 11:57 AM
 
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Would be nice if they shut the government down and then rehired all new people to run it. Half the number of people would suffice.
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Old 09-20-2013, 12:02 PM
 
Location: Northern CA
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And I provided a link that outlines both the problems and the potential fixes, as well as all of the good things that are in this law. Next?
The only problem with medical care in this country is the outrageous cost and lack of competition. This does nothing to address either, as a matter of fact it makes it worse. We are giving the gov't more control over our lives, and getting less than zero in return.
This is designed to increase the power of gov't and the Medical Industrial Complex, reducing individual choice. And there's nothing equal about the distribution of cost or treatment, with all the waivers and exemptions for cronies.

The only way to fix this is to erase ACA like it never happened, do nothing or address the real problems.
The current system is designed toward endless treatment of the sick to maintain the health of the system, not the human. What if we changed the focus to healing, and opened the door to nutrition and natural, alternative methods? Not everybody will want that, but some of us want that choice left up to the individual, not a bureacracy that seeks to feed itself.
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Old 09-20-2013, 12:02 PM
 
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Oh this is some truly good spin.
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Old 09-20-2013, 12:06 PM
 
Location: Kentucky Bluegrass
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The only problem with medical care in this country is the outrageous cost and lack of competition. This does nothing to address either, as a matter of fact it makes it worse. We are giving the gov't more control over our lives, and getting less than zero in return.
This is designed to increase the power of gov't and the Medical Industrial Complex, reducing individual choice. And there's nothing equal about the distribution of cost or treatment, with all the waivers and exemptions for cronies.

The only way to fix this is to erase ACA like it never happened, do nothing or address the real problems.
The current system is designed toward endless treatment of the sick to maintain the health of the system, not the human. What if we changed the focus to healing, and opened the door to nutrition and natural, alternative methods? Not everybody will want that, but some of us want that choice left up to the individual, not a bureacracy that seeks to feed itself.
You are absolutely right....and agree 100%!

the government is unable to run our systems we all ready have now, they are all corrupt and skimming off the top....look at our immigration system, what a joke, how bout welfare, what a joke, how bout homeland security, joke, remember when they gave money out to communities to up security in their townships, and one township went out and bought a whole new fleet of garbage trucks....

Our systems are nothing but a joke, give everything to everybody...yanno, I should quit my job and go on welfare....they are probably doing a hell of a lot better then I am....seriously!
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Old 09-20-2013, 12:06 PM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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What compromise?
Glad you asked.

The House just passed a Continuing Joint Resolution that funds the entire Federal government for a year, including all the Democrats' pet projects and funds, even an odd payment of $170K to the widow of former Senator Frank Lautenberg (D-NJ). The vote was mostly along party lines, with a finaly tally of 230-189.

Since the American people voted to put more Republican Representatives into the House than big-government Democrats, the 2012 election has now resulted in a Continuing Resolution funding the entire government and all its perks, except for a few new ones such as Obamacare, which is not mentioned in the Resolution.

The passage of the bill leave open the possibility for Representatives to put together a separate bill funding Obamacare on its own. Current progress on such a separate bill by House Democrats, is not known.

With the major compromises offered in the newly-passed bill by Republicans, funding many projects they had previously opposed, it now remains to be seen whether the Democrat-controlled Senate will be in an equally compromising mood. WIll they vote to fund most of the Democrats' pet projects as the Republicans have done?

Or will they decide to shut down the government anyway, despite Republican's compromising on so much, because the Democrats did not get EVERY single item they wanted?

House passes spending bill to defund Obamacare - Washington Times

So, back to the subject:
If the Democrats shut down the government depspite these Republican compromises, will there really be much effect?

No, not really.

The biggest effect, might be that millions of American who have been swallowing the line of the Democrats that government is absolutely essential for their lives, and they can't possibly get along without it.... might find they've been fed a lie.

Govenment was never meant to be a major part of Americans' lives. It was mostly a custodial function - something set up to take care of mundane functions like foreign relations, setting national standards, coining national money, and keeping people from killing each other.

The leftist big-government types (in both parties) have been trying to make it much more than that, of course... and mostly failing. The programs they HAVE set up that go outside government's true role, have mostly been so inefficient (an inherent government characteristic), that they haven't gotten much done. And so, seeing them go away, won't make much difference.

And in fact, as the article points out, most of them WON'T go away anyway. So a "shutdown", won't shut much down.
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Old 09-20-2013, 12:10 PM
 
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It's a lot scarier to scream that the Republicans want to hold our government hostage. Makes for a good, scary headline that most people won't ever read beyond, and it's done its job to paint Republicans as boogeymen.
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Old 09-20-2013, 12:10 PM
 
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... Since the American people voted to put more Republican Representatives into the House than big-government Democrats, ...
FALSE.

Combined, more Americans voted for Democratic candidates than Republicans in 2012 House races.
Democratic House candidates winning the popular vote, despite big GOP majority

The Republicans have kept control of the House by abusing the process, not through any majority mandate.
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