9/11 Official story is a gigantic lie... (illegal, drug, weapons, Kerry)

[niedo]

WTC 7 is the clearest example of something, be it coverup, conspiracy, what have you.

anyone can go on youtube till this very day and see reporters being told WTC 7 had fallen even when it was still standing. and funny how WTC 7 was the first of the centers to be rebuilt...

[pch1013]

Originally Posted by plwhit

See what I mean with these newbies and 911?

After the first couple of posts when they see people laughing at them they become a broken record posting: ~ watch the video

their next post: ~ watch the video

their next post: ~ watch the video

their next post: ~ watch the video

their next post: ~ watch the video

their next post: ~ watch the video

This is an increasingly common logical fallacy known as "argumentum ad YouTubum."

[FreedomForMorsi]

Great, that's just what we need. This guy spouting some conspiracy bunk.

[workingclasshero]

Originally Posted by niedo

WTC 7 is the clearest example of something, be it coverup, conspiracy, what have you.

anyone can go on youtube till this very day and see reporters being told WTC 7 had fallen even when it was still standing. and funny how WTC 7 was the first of the centers to be rebuilt...

Why is it when the twoofers talk about bld7, people never:

1. Admit that the building (7) got BADLY damaged when the towers fell:

a) the entire front fascia was sheared off

b) a 12-16 story gash(hole) in the corner(main supports)(Proves the FACT that there was MASSIVE structural damage)

2. Admit that there was an entire ConED substation(electric plant) below the building. (this article PROVES the substation and the new one rebuilt in May04,, It also gives a good description of the transformers)

Lower Manhattan Development Corporation - GOVERNOR PATAKI JOINS CON EDISON TO MARK OPENING OF ELECTRICAL SUBSTATION AT 7 WORLD TRADE CENTER

3. Admit that the building had 20 or more back up generators (4 on the 23rd floor, 3 on the 7th floor, 14 on the 5th floor, 1 on the 8th floor w/fuel tank, 4 on the 46th floor, 1 on the 9th floor)(Proves the FACT of many things that could have BLOWN up within the building supporting the statements of "heard explosions")

4. Admit that the building had 22 main Transformers(which can explode if heated(full of oil))(some of them 2 stories tall) and 2 dry transformers (10 1st floor, 12 5th floor, 2 7th floor)(proves the FACT of more things that could have blown up)

5. Admit that the Fuel source for those generators was stored in the building and equaled 18 tankers (18,000 gallons on the 2nd floor, and 48,000 in the lower level, 300 gallons on the 23rd floor, 300 gallons on the 5th floor, 100 gallons on the 9th floor, 300 gallons on the 7th floor)(proves the FACT of a major fuel source, along with all the office furnature)

6. Admit the there was LP gas lines running throughout the building

7. Admit that the Penthouse fell FIRST

8. Admit that the building did NOT fall symmetrically it collapsed from the center(the north wall even covered the debris

9. Admit that it did NOT fall with in its footprint, it covered "barkley street" and caused SIGNIFICANT DAMAGED(fell onto) another building (30 west broadway) and the Verizon building( just some logic here cant be in its "own footprint if it went OUTSIDE of its footprint)(ABSOLUTELY proves that it was not a PERFECT symmetrical fall)

10. Admit that the FIREMEN, said the fire could not be CONTROLLED

A) I will give just two,,,,"We walked over by number Seven World Trade Center as it was burning and saw this 40-plus story building with fire on nearly all floors." –FDNY Lieutenant Robert LaRocca

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/package...HIC/9110081.PD

b). The major concern at that time was number Seven, building number Seven, which had taken a big hit from the north tower. When it fell, it ripped steel out from between the third and sixth floors across the facade on Vesey Street. We were concerned that the fires on several floors and the missing steel would result in the building collapsing. –FDNY Chief Frank Fellini

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/package...IC/9110217.PDF

11. Admit that there was a problem with the water supply(NO WATER)

12 the only mention "3 buildings" but not the other 10 buildings were destroyed that day in NYC

13. Admit that to wire a building.:

.......a) would take months.

.......b) beams would HAVE to be cut ,making the building NOT safe to go into for months prior to the collapse(proves that there is not way the building could have been imploded since monday sept 10 was a WORK DAY)

.......c) explosives don't like fire and heat

........d) that the term "pull" is NOT used in Explosive demos

14. admit that the expert engineers said it would fall by 1400, and it still stood till after 4pm...

[workingclasshero]

Originally Posted by niedo

WTC 7 is the clearest example of something, be it coverup, conspiracy, what have you.

anyone can go on youtube till this very day and see reporters being told WTC 7 had fallen even when it was still standing. and funny how WTC 7 was the first of the centers to be rebuilt...

oh please the building was open 24/7/365 because many of the occupents were WORLD WIDE ENTITIES

Salomon Smith Barney was the biggest occupant of wtc7...occupied most floors
American Express Bank International ......
Standard Chartered Bank ......
Provident Financial Management ......
ITT Hartford Insurance Group .....
First State Management Group, Inc ......
Federal Home Loan Bank .....
NAIC Securities

if there was ANY chance that the building was purposly brought down...dont ya think they would be jumping up and down screaming bloody murder

[Corbin_Dallas]

$$$$$$

[cashrulez]

Originally Posted by Arus

oy vey.

there . is . no . such. thing. as. an. official . story.

there is a COMMON narrative of what led up to the events of 911
There are several SCIENTIFIC reports and independent studies that described what caused the towers to collapse.

The common narrative and the reports have EVIDENCE (what truthers severley lack), that support them.



funny how you don't list this "shady stuff".

Or is it common to see two fully fueled 767 jetliners crash into 110 story office buildings at 300mph?

The official story from NIST and the 9/11 commission. I just don't think they were thorough and I find the story implausible. As far as shady stuff. For starters the collapse of all 3 WTC buildings looks exactly like text book controlled demolition. Which I think is what most people see when they watch the video. Sort of like a "wtf, how it that even possible just from planes crashing into them." Simple answer: it isn't.

[niedo]

Originally Posted by workingclasshero

oh please the building was open 24/7/365 because many of the occupents were WORLD WIDE ENTITIES

Salomon Smith Barney was the biggest occupant of wtc7...occupied most floors
American Express Bank International ......
Standard Chartered Bank ......
Provident Financial Management ......
ITT Hartford Insurance Group .....
First State Management Group, Inc ......
Federal Home Loan Bank .....
NAIC Securities

if there was ANY chance that the building was purposly brought down...dont ya think they would be jumping up and down screaming bloody murder

again, explain why the collapse was announced before it actually happened

even your presubscribed diatribe says nothing about that!

[workingclasshero]

Originally Posted by cashrulez

The official story from NIST and the 9/11 commission. I just don't think they were thorough and I find the story implausible. As far as shady stuff. For starters the collapse of all 3 WTC buildings looks exactly like text book controlled demolition. Which I think is what most people see when they watch the video. Sort of like a "wtf, how it that even possible just from planes crashing into them." Simple answer: it isn't.

uhm

there was over 18 building destroyed

and it did NOT LOOK LIKE A CONTROLLED DEMO

NO TRACE what so ever of ANY explosive has ever been found..

a controlled demo starts from the bottm...the towers collapsed from the top (point of impact)

wtc7 collapse started it the penthouse, that was severely damaged by wtc1 falling on it

[Arus]

Originally Posted by T-Rob123

It doesn't really add up.
The simple math, 4 planes went up, 3 buildings were hit, 4 buildings destroyed. Seems to me like something's off there.

4 planes went up, 3 buildings were directly hit, 22 buildings were damaged or destroyed, one farm field became a crash site.

Keep in mind before you are so quick to say "shut up and believe what you're told" Not EVERYONE who says "there's more to this than meets the eye" is a conspiracy theorist who believes Rumsfeld, Cheney & Bush helped Bin Laden plan everything.

No not everyone. Judy Wood thinks that it was space aliens with a laser beam, and that Keebler Elves were responsible.

In fact, I'm of the opinion that it might be something as simple as concern over the idea that the security breach was so vast that the government didn't want to feed people's paranoia.

Yup, it was a security breach, one of the biggest ones in US history.

Example:
Let's say that on 9/12 they discovered that explosives had in fact been planted in the towers. The obvious question would be "How the HELL did we let that happen?" Then the next statement would be "We can NOT let anyone know that we were this blind" So the facts got hidden in an attempt to not have a complete and utter loss of trust in the capabilities of the US government.

this is close to being a False Dillema fallacy. Why would the first question be "how did we let this happen." the first question would be "who was responsible and why".

Is that really THAT far fetched? As far fetched as believing that engine oil splashed over onto WTC7 collapsing it? Or whatever the story is behind how WTC7 fell?

Well you are starting off with a fallacious argument (question) and building a question on that fallacious argument.

And another fallacy. No one claimed that "engine oil" splashed over to WTC 7. This is where you show that you have never once tried to read the three reports that were issued on the collapse of WTC 7.

NIST has a great FAQ, if you don't want to read the 5,000 page report:
FAQs - NIST WTC 7 Investigation

Let's say that we were told everything. And we do in fact know the whole story. It's still a huge breach in national security, but AFAIK no one was punished or fired over it. That seems odd.

It was the FAILINGS of several AGENCIES, our **** poor next to nothing security clearance process, our **** poor next to nothing background checks of those who apply for VISAS to get into this country, and our next to nothing security checks at various airports, that contributed to the events of 9/11

The events took nearly 6 years to plan out (ever since 1996) by Bin Laden. It took almost a year by the hijackers themselves to plan the event out.

So who exactly is responsible for this, when there were THOUSANDS of people involved that would have to have shared information (which at the time wasn't done)

But you forget, that the 9/11 comission found fault with all aspects in our failings of our government, and stated that even though we failed, that the sole person RESPONSIBLE was Bin Laden (since 19 of the hijackers were dead, and Mossaoui is now serving time).

And Bin Laden was held responsible. He was killed as a result.