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Old 10-01-2013, 01:24 AM
 
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Originally Posted by steven_h View Post
Why doesn't anyone question why Obama has missed 4 budgets entirely? He had full control of all levels of government and even his Dem senate and house refused to pass his insane budgets.

The lunatics are running the asylum folks.

Why send all that time making a budget when they are not going to follow it ?

 
Old 10-01-2013, 01:24 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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I think there is going to be a significant shock value coming from all of this------and a major shock value for the Gop when the outrage really hits.
I think that's wishful thinking, and a talking point that every liberal utters daily.

If people are dumb enough to see it that way, sobeit.
 
Old 10-01-2013, 01:25 AM
 
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Government didn't need to shut down if Democrats weren't so butthurt over Obamacare either. The last CR that the Democrats rejected didn't defund Obamacare. It just removed congress exemption to it and delayed the individual mandate until next year, after Democrats themselves already delayed the business mandate.

It ain't the Republicans who refused to compromise on this one.



This is obvious yet some will never see it.
Talk about blind.
 
Old 10-01-2013, 01:26 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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Originally Posted by steven_h
Why doesn't anyone question why Obama has missed 4 budgets entirely? He had full control of all levels of government and even his Dem senate and house refused to pass his insane budgets.

The lunatics are running the asylum folks.
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Why send all that time making a budget when they are not going to follow it ?
What? You're saying that passing a budget is meaningless? Then why has the government shut down tonight?

Are you actually trying to participate?
 
Old 10-01-2013, 01:27 AM
 
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Obamacare is the law and their is no compromise on this. You do understand this right. Republicans look like idiots



You do understand that Law is to be followed )Come on Obama!) and can be changed?

You should also be aware of no one side gets their way all of time.

Tip O'Neill shut it down 12 times, the Dems are experts at this.



"Law of the Land"?

Let's talk about the utter disrespect of the Bill of Rights going on in Washington for starters.
 
Old 10-01-2013, 01:29 AM
 
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This is obvious yet some will never see it.
Talk about blind.
It's already a law. They already lost the fight and are now resorting to childish antics. There's nothing to compromise about.
 
Old 10-01-2013, 01:30 AM
 
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as the beat goes on.....
the media is 93% liberal, so no matter what, the gop is going to be blamed,,
 
Old 10-01-2013, 01:32 AM
 
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Originally Posted by steven_h
Why doesn't anyone question why Obama has missed 4 budgets entirely? He had full control of all levels of government and even his Dem senate and house refused to pass his insane budgets.

The lunatics are running the asylum folks.



What? You mean that passing a budget is meaningless? Then why has the government shut down tonight?

Are you actually trying to participate?
Oh I though you were talking about the US Senate that hasn't passed a budget since 2009. If that the case they would not follow it if they did so it kind of point less IMO.
 
Old 10-01-2013, 01:33 AM
 
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You do understand that Law is to be followed )Come on Obama!) and can be changed?

You should also be aware of no one side gets their way all of time.

Tip O'Neill shut it down 12 times, the Dems are experts at this.



"Law of the Land"?

Let's talk about the utter disrespect of the Bill of Rights going on in Washington for starters.
I willing to bet Obama will change the ACA in someway b4 the year ends.
 
Old 10-01-2013, 01:33 AM
 
Location: The Land Mass Between NOLA and Mobile, AL
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Good grief you people are so ignorant.

He did not exempt Congress, the ACA was never going to apply to Congress since they already have employer provided health insurance. Same as it doesn't apply to me since my employer pays for my health insurance.

The ACA applies to mostly low income people who have to buy insurance on the individual market.
Yes. If you already have employee-based insurance of if you are on Medicare or Medicaid, nothing will change. If you are a single person making less than $46,000 or a family of four making less than $94,000 nad you don't have insurance, your premiums will be partially or wholly tax refundable. In their obfuscating measures, what the Republicans have tried to do for like the 44th time is block the law's implementation by disingenuously lumping low-paid staffers in with Congresspeople and Senators in an exemption from the subsidies by claiming that they are moving for equality by treating government workers the same as everyone else. That is not in fact, the case, because "everyone else" gets subsidies based on income level.

ACA is law: let it go through and then let us revise it as problems arise, which has been the case with Medicare, Medicaid, Welfare, and SNAP. Have such revisions satisfied everyone? Of course not. But once legislation has passed, withstood a general election, SCOTUS scrutiny, and more than 40 efforts to repeal it that have cost a pretty penny, it is time to stop beating the dead horse. Let the legislation go through, let us see how it works, and then let us see what needs changing.

Why should Democrats negotiate? The House has offered nothing but obfuscation, and it itself has refused to negotiate for at least six months, depending on how you define such refusals. Why should the Democrats reward their intransigence? The Republicans have offered no concessions whatsoever, and, it's important to note, losing in and of itself is not a concession. It's a loss.
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