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Old 10-04-2013, 06:13 PM
 
Location: Texas
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So if I used the phrase "the tail wags the dog", are you the type of person who would point out to me the fact that it is physically impossible for that action to take place? I haven't read anything stupider than the idea that I was trying to 'sound profound' in a while. I was making a point by way of analogous example. The goal is to have a conversation about the point I was making, but you seem to have a hard time talking intelligently about anything but misguided literal interpretations.

Again, are you capable of responding to the POINT I was making instead of hiding behind literalism?

Point?

Was there one in your post?

Repeating an old falsely attributed and fundamentally flawed cliche is a point?

Please explain.
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Old 10-04-2013, 07:50 PM
 
Location: Phoenix
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The one big advantage Liberal Democrats have is better marketing. They are portrayed in the media as heros,people who care about the poor and understand young people and minorities who are fighting against corporate tyranny. By contrast they portray conservatives either as rich old, evil white men who want don't care about poor people and oppress minorities, or as uneducated white trash racists.

They also have more support in the media from celebrities and whatnot (you rarely see openly conservative or christian celebs) . The media is the biggest advantage that Democrats have, it appeals exclusively to younger voters who do not have the understanding to think for themselves yet. They see being liberal as "cool " because that's how it's being marketed to them by the media. They don't really have a good understanding of the issues facing our country. They get their "news " from the likes of Jon Stewart and Colbert. While both shows pretend to be "just comedy ", and they do poke fun at both sides, the poking is 90% at conservatives and pushes liberal view points onto an audience of naive 20 year olds.

As conservatives, we really need to do something about this. I can guarantee you that Hilary will win the next election (our biggest fear) because the media will market her as a hero of woman's suffering and her conservative opponent will be portrayed as against women and selfish racist. Conservatives need a bigger presence in the media, FOX News is not the good enough nor is it the answer. And it's not just news outlets,it's also regular TV sitcoms such as Family Guy, SNL, Degrassi etc... It's everywhere and young people just eat it up without knowing any better. They lack critical-thinking.
that last paragraph is so true.
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Old 10-04-2013, 08:02 PM
 
Location: the ass of nowhere (the midwest)
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Everyone in our house voted for Johnson - 2 dems and 2 republicans. If people would just vote their convictions instead of party lines or feeling that they're throwing their vote away - we may get rid of the standard 2 party system.
In a previous life, I might've been a conservative/nationalist. If I had been in China in the 1930s, I would have supported Chiang Kai-shek. If I had been an englishman in the 40s, I would have supported Churchill. In the wacky USA of the 2000s, I'm just saying the heck with it and voting mostly for libertarians.
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Old 10-04-2013, 08:06 PM
 
Location: NJ
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Republicans are doing everything in their power to alienate as many as they can. It has gotten to the point that only their brainwashed follows believe everything that comes out of their mouths.
Error in the 1st word of the 1st sentence...you inadvertantly said, 'republican'.

How embarassed are you to stand shoulder to shoulder with the legislator who told you, 'we have to pass it to see what is in it'. Were you not insulted and made to feel like a child? Or do you need someone to take of you and not bother you about the details... you know much like a mother would do for her infant.
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Old 10-04-2013, 08:18 PM
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probably not because this is the generation that cannot think for themselves and believes that society knows whats best for them.
Do you think comments like this are helping?

Just because someone disagrees with the Republican party's anti-freedom, anti-equality, anti-fiscal responsibility, anti-math, anti-science, anti-fact agenda doesn't make them incapable of thinking for themselves. Anyone who has managed to actually understand junior high history and mathematics can see Republican ideas for exactly what they are - failed nonsense built on catch phrases and ignorance.

Blindly clinging to some political ideology despite all evidence does not make you a deep thinker. Unquestioningly accepting a party's talking points when it actually does the exact opposite on a daily basis doesn't make you a deep thinker either.
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Old 10-04-2013, 10:58 PM
 
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That's why I have come to dislike so many in my party. Make a statement get a smart a** comment. Give a personal situation you've experienced - asked to prove it or remarks saying you're lying. Make a statement - someone demands a link.

Many of the democrats on these boards are the party's own worst enemy. So many of you prove your own ignorance and intolerance if people don't believe as you believe. The Democratic party I signed on with had their own ideals but knew that compromise was needed. They were not so quick to judge someone or name call because someone didn't agree with them.
so in other words, your son's group of friends is not the most diverse in the world

yep, i get it...
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Old 10-05-2013, 03:50 AM
Status: "Smartened up and walked away!" (set 24 days ago)
 
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Yes, making things up always works out better than finding things out.

Where is anything made up? The poster stated that many people get more in social benefits than they have paid for into the system. That's true - just as many of us put more into the system than we take out.
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Old 10-05-2013, 03:54 AM
Status: "Smartened up and walked away!" (set 24 days ago)
 
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so in other words, your son's group of friends is not the most diverse in the world

yep, i get it...

Nope you don't get it - but it's the exact kind of response I expected to receive. God bless my affiliation as they need it.
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Old 10-05-2013, 04:30 AM
 
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Conservative, n. - A statesman who is enamored of existing evils, as distinguished from the Liberal, who wishes to replace them with others.
-- Ambrose Bierce

I don't think the young vote is becoming more pro-GOP at all, let alone Tea Party. The GOP needs to actually separate itself from the Tea Party, that's just about the only way it can be saved now. I know this sound bad, but a lot of the young vote could give a rats ass about the constitution, they are looking at Europe, Japan, and even China in some cases and seeing that they have everything that we'd want, but the political division is stopping it. The GOP could easily win more young voters over by being in favor of things as simple as public transportation, education funding, and etc.

You would be surprised how many young people hold moderate views on things such as welfare, most of us seem to want it reduced or even eliminated for those who don't need it which is a Republican view but the GOP isn't taking the chance to capitalize on that and instead slam them by thinking everyone is a leech. Rather than saying all welfare recipients are crack smoking, ten baby having leeches, show that you're against welfare abuse. Don't say you don't like ObamaCare and have nothing you want to replace it with because it's actually popular amongst the young voters, if you want to repeal it fine, but don't make it so public to the extent that you're furloughing YOUNG employees.

Btw, I just thought that was an interesting quote to post here.

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Old 10-05-2013, 06:55 AM
 
Location: Pluto's Home Town
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Conservative, n. - A statesman who is enamored of existing evils, as distinguished from the Liberal, who wishes to replace them with others.
-- Ambrose Bierce

I don't think the young vote is becoming more pro-GOP at all, let alone Tea Party. The GOP needs to actually separate itself from the Tea Party, that's just about the only way it can be saved now. I know this sound bad, but a lot of the young vote could give a rats ass about the constitution, they are looking at Europe, Japan, and even China in some cases and seeing that they have everything that we'd want, but the political division is stopping it. The GOP could easily win more young voters over by being in favor of things as simple as public transportation, education funding, and etc.

You would be surprised how many young people hold moderate views on things such as welfare, most of us seem to want it reduced or even eliminated for those who don't need it which is a Republican view but the GOP isn't taking the chance to capitalize on that and instead slam them by thinking everyone is a leech. Rather than saying all welfare recipients are crack smoking, ten baby having leeches, show that you're against welfare abuse. Don't say you don't like ObamaCare and have nothing you want to replace it with because it's actually popular amongst the young voters, if you want to repeal it fine, but don't make it so public to the extent that you're furloughing YOUNG employees.

Btw, I just thought that was an interesting quote to post here.
You bring up a good point here. The rabid anti-tax attitude of the GOP in the last few years means that basic public investments, which would be sources of national pride and would support development anywhere else are all dismissed a socialism. Things like light rail systems, new bridges, airports, museums, etc. Even national parks are all under attack to lower the taxes of millionaires. It is hard to feel like we are making the country stronger, when we are not investing or even supporting basic maintenance or existing infrastructure. Meanwhile China builds one gleaming airport. business center, and university after another.
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