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Old 04-01-2014, 04:57 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas,Nevada
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Liberals only think they are geared to help the unfortunate in reality their poorly contructed ideas create the same wealth gaps.

They want the Government to siphon the wealth-while conservatives want the private sector to siphon the wealth.
If either has helped the less fortunate in the last century then we must all be hallucinating.
Well it has helped....The Regressive Statist who need a massive underclass to stay in power...

 
Old 04-01-2014, 05:01 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas,Nevada
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Liberals are more caring of others than conservatives, and this has been studied. Caring for and about others, empathy runs strong in those self identified as liberal. This is not to say conservatives don't care. Of course they do. But with liberals caring is more forceful for them, and as politics can show it can lead them astray.

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Actions speak louder then words, and Results matter more then intentions..THEY HAVE FAILED IN EVERY PLAN, PROGRAM, AND ENDEAVOR THEY HAVE CREATED AND EMBARKED UPON HAS LEFT NOTHING BUT POVERTY, DEPENDENCY, AND TYRANNY IN ITS WAKE..
 
Old 04-01-2014, 05:23 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Read this forum sometime....liberals don't consider it stealing. It's redistributing money to a better, more noble purpose than your greed and comfort. It's not theft if a) the government does the taking and b) if the purpose of redistribution sounds noble.

Yes, you and I know how theft is defined and that wealth redistribution in the form of personal payments to individuals is exactly theft, not sorta, not kinda, but dead smack in the middle of the definition thereof. But that is not how a liberal views things. In their worldview, all money belongs to the government first, and what they let you keep is them doing you a favor, so why not take more of their own money and purpose it to charitable sounding things? Their agreement with the government "charity" racket is compassionate....just ask them.
The best part is when they say it's about society. So before 1913 we had no society? As if theft and coercion is something to brag about. Maybe if you're in the Mafia.
 
Old 04-01-2014, 06:12 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas,Nevada
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The best part is when they say it's about society. So before 1913 we had no society? As if theft and coercion is something to brag about. Maybe if you're in the Mafia.
Leftist have a list of mental illnesses they must be suffering from..

Damn the Federal Reserve Act of 1913..
 
Old 04-01-2014, 06:28 PM
 
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Actions speak louder then words, and Results matter more then intentions..THEY HAVE FAILED IN EVERY PLAN, PROGRAM, AND ENDEAVOR THEY HAVE CREATED AND EMBARKED UPON HAS LEFT NOTHING BUT POVERTY, DEPENDENCY, AND TYRANNY IN ITS WAKE..
Ask the 1 billion Medicare enrollees since 1965 or the 2 billion SS recipients since 1940 if they don't enjoy some liberal policy and caring.
 
Old 04-01-2014, 06:30 PM
 
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Leftist have a list of mental illnesses they must be suffering from..

Damn the Federal Reserve Act of 1913..
If the USA could do better with some other money/banking system and still rule the world, I'd like to hear about it.
 
Old 04-01-2014, 06:34 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas,Nevada
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Ask the 1 billion Medicare enrollees since 1965 or the 2 billion SS recipients since 1940 if they don't enjoy some liberal policy and caring.
How about you see how much waste and fraud and how much that has costed us?

What about my generation(I am 23) about paying into a system that will not be there when we need it?

Why cant way have our SS taxes put into a private account and invest it?
 
Old 04-01-2014, 06:35 PM
 
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If the USA could do better with some other money/banking system and still rule the world, I'd like to hear about it.
To hell with the world, why should rule it? most of it sucks and filled with morons..

We have a great number of nukes...
 
Old 04-01-2014, 06:53 PM
 
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How about you see how much waste and fraud and how much that has costed us?

What about my generation(I am 23) about paying into a system that will not be there when we need it?

Why cant way have our SS taxes put into a private account and invest it?
Caring and compassion is strong in liberals. Conservatives like yourself more concerned with self.
We all need balance. And IMO our 2 party system, the liberal - conservative debate creates the best country on Earth.

Sure there is waste and fraud. We do what we can to minimize it. And sure the program costs a bunch.

There is no palpable reason for SS to stop unless we the people decide to stop it.

Various pension plans and 401-K's are for private retirement investment management. SS is there for all, including those that fail. Not all private investments in the private sector are winners. There has to be some losers. So as recent proof in 2008, SS is there for all retirees, even in the rabid depths of a recession where many private investments went titzup. SS is simply a guarantee, beyond any personal retirement investment. I like to think of it as more diversification for ones' retirement investment portfolio.

IMO FICA should have ended in 2008.
 
Old 04-01-2014, 06:57 PM
 
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To hell with the world, why should rule it? most of it sucks and filled with morons..

We have a great number of nukes...
Because of the USD we rule the world. For good or bad, depending on your viewpoint.
IMO good.

Without the Fed and the USD we would not have been able to prosecute WW2 as we did. And that led directly to our world dominance today.

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