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Old 10-04-2013, 04:07 PM
 
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The liberal v conservative divide is not about compassion or lack of compassion. It's about the role of government in our society. The arguments that drive questions like this are strawmen set up through a false dichotomy along the lines of if government doesn't do it, there are no other options for help, therefore "if you don't think the government should _____, then you hate_______."

 
Old 10-04-2013, 04:43 PM
 
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"Helping the unfortunate" is just the delivery system for the same greedy ends that they accuse their partisan counterparts of engaging in.

But perhaps worse.

Implying that Liberal ideology is altruistic is probably the most idiotic premise anybody could ever cling to.

EDIT: Does it mean they are more compassionate? No. It means they are more political.
Modern liberals adore altruism, that selfish desire to prove to everyone they are better than others because they let you know how much they care.
 
Old 10-04-2013, 05:34 PM
 
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Modern liberals need science and government the way traditional conservatives think they need god and church. Same pattern of thought really, except that the former thinks humanity is either not a base animal or can be trained to be a better one and the latter feels a divine benefactor will provide strength against sinking into those base animalistic tendencies to live in service to their wondrous master, before and after death.

The ideologies merge neatly when you ascertain the beliefs and verbiage, when you can realize what it is both want: Someone to oversee their lives benevolently and able to pitch in every now and again on their behalf. Liberals love money, too. The ones who are not doers just feel it would be better to change greed into some hazy, altruistic government-overseen zealousness of redistribution for the sake of all. How much more Christian can that get?

People are not so very different in many ways and this need for someone above them with power is apparently one of them. They need faith, they need guidance, they need to know everything is going to be alright.

Now liberals are not more compassionate. They are just as greedy and grubby as anyone else and their smug righteousness proves it. All that emotion over something as finicky as life, as in lives lived and how everything must be softened or enabled in order to make as little conflict or adversity as possible is like the mouse who goes about looking for cheese. And like that mouse, they never see the trap under the cheese because they think manna from heaven should be so easily obtained, naturally- aren't they hungry? Prouder, smarter mice exist, too. They direct their lesser kind to the cheese and make the cheese available so as to keep the funds flowing and the support staunchly in their corner- like any good monotheist would do. Notice all the social prescriptions given by liberals? How different is the gist of all that to the religious codes we all know?

People of more traditional faith feel if they worship enough everything will be okay and anything they don't get out of the genuflection is ordained, done with a special purpose to make one understand the great overlord of providence and his designs. All that faith amounts to a base need to be filled with reason and a hope that society will be made whole and everyone will be on the same page when it comes to how things ought to be in his name. No real difference here. Modern liberals merely lifted the playbook from the snoozing bishop.

Modern liberals and traditional conservatives only differ when it comes to how this preferred heaven on earth will be attained, deciding who can and who cannot worship the Great Parental Figure full of power and money, and ultimately, whether or not that Parent will be worshipped in a doggedly lazy way full of arcane rule-sets if human or in devout fear of broken promises and inhumane strict behavioral codes if it be divine. Both will demand silly things and get bent out of shape if they're not accepted because humans are silly things, full of spite and adoration for selfish pursuits they never bother to dissect but choose to embrace or despise. It's just how we are as a species. We must have something upheld to prove we are moral and just and that others must be wrong and full of evil dissent and intent. The idea of freedom invokes a sense of voiding the pressure of being burdened with everyone else's demands. Humans should never ever forget that, particularly those whose moral dictums are the standard or about to become so.

Now which will win? The modern liberal Parent will. With all our technological progress proving how special we really are, people are tired of the visible shackles and are busy making new ones that are a just bit more discreet. It doesn't matter if this comes down to basically the same thing with compromises here and there, we will be wearing shackles and hoping and praying for a good run as given to us by our symbolic Parent, so full of grace and love and humanity. Of course, what people think they want and demand is never the same as to what they get but try telling that to any passionate sycophant and you will be ignored and looked upon with disdain. Humans refuse to honor anything that keeps them off those clouds they know should be theirs and secularity provides no immunity.

Those new shackles... I hear the clickety-clackety clinking chimes all the time.
 
Old 10-04-2013, 06:13 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas,Nevada
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Modern liberals need science and government the way traditional conservatives think they need god and church. Same pattern of thought really, except that the former thinks humanity is either not a base animal or can be trained to be a better one and the latter feels a divine benefactor will provide strength against sinking into those base animalistic tendencies to live in service to their wondrous master, before and after death.

The ideologies merge neatly when you ascertain the beliefs and verbiage, when you can realize what it is both want: Someone to oversee their lives benevolently and able to pitch in every now and again on their behalf. Liberals love money, too. The ones who are not doers just feel it would be better to change greed into some hazy, altruistic government-overseen zealousness of redistribution for the sake of all. How much more Christian can that get?

People are not so very different in many ways and this need for someone above them with power is apparently one of them. They need faith, they need guidance, they need to know everything is going to be alright.

Now liberals are not more compassionate. They are just as greedy and grubby as anyone else and their smug righteousness proves it. All that emotion over something as finicky as life, as in lives lived and how everything must be softened or enabled in order to make as little conflict or adversity as possible is like the mouse who goes about looking for cheese. And like that mouse, they never see the trap under the cheese because they think manna from heaven should be so easily obtained, naturally- aren't they hungry? Prouder, smarter mice exist, too. They direct their lesser kind to the cheese and make the cheese available so as to keep the funds flowing and the support staunchly in their corner- like any good monotheist would do. Notice all the social prescriptions given by liberals? How different is the gist of all that to the religious codes we all know?

People of more traditional faith feel if they worship enough everything will be okay and anything they don't get out of the genuflection is ordained, done with a special purpose to make one understand the great overlord of providence and his designs. All that faith amounts to a base need to be filled with reason and a hope that society will be made whole and everyone will be on the same page when it comes to how things ought to be in his name. No real difference here. Modern liberals merely lifted the playbook from the snoozing bishop.

Modern liberals and traditional conservatives only differ when it comes to how this preferred heaven on earth will be attained, deciding who can and who cannot worship the Great Parental Figure full of power and money, and ultimately, whether or not that Parent will be worshipped in a doggedly lazy way full of arcane rule-sets if human or in devout fear of broken promises and inhumane strict behavioral codes if it be divine. Both will demand silly things and get bent out of shape if they're not accepted because humans are silly things, full of spite and adoration for selfish pursuits they never bother to dissect but choose to embrace or despise. It's just how we are as a species. We must have something upheld to prove we are moral and just and that others must be wrong and full of evil dissent and intent. The idea of freedom invokes a sense of voiding the pressure of being burdened with everyone else's demands. Humans should never ever forget that, particularly those whose moral dictums are the standard or about to become so.

Now which will win? The modern liberal Parent will. With all our technological progress proving how special we really are, people are tired of the visible shackles and are busy making new ones that are a just bit more discreet. It doesn't matter if this comes down to basically the same thing with compromises here and there, we will be wearing shackles and hoping and praying for a good run as given to us by our symbolic Parent, so full of grace and love and humanity. Of course, what people think they want and demand is never the same as to what they get but try telling that to any passionate sycophant and you will be ignored and looked upon with disdain. Humans refuse to honor anything that keeps them off those clouds they know should be theirs and secularity provides no immunity.

Those new shackles... I hear the clickety-clackety clinking chimes all the time.
Not going to happen for the following reason, the amount the government is doing, its plans it intent, it is not sustainable...

Plus “childlike emotionalism applied to adult issues" Very seldom does any issue that doesn’t involve pandering to their supporters boil down at its core level to more than feeling “nice” or “mean” to liberals. This makes liberals ill equipped to deal with complex issues.
 
Old 10-04-2013, 07:44 PM
 
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Since liberal ideology is geared to help the unfortunate, does it mean liberals themselves are more compassionate?
Liberals are indeed more influenced by their own compassion than conservatives. It's been studied and written about. Of course mostly by liberal researchers and authors. Now whether that equates to 'more' compassion, or whether that leads to any more 'correct' policy are other questions.

The Righteous Mind: Why Good People Are Divided by Politics and Religion (Vintage): Jonathan Haidt: 9780307455772: Amazon.com: Books

This book specifically looks into the moral compasses of people of conservative and liberal bent in order to find and highlight the differences. And in simple terms there are basically six compass points.

Moral Foundations Theory - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

harm, fairness, liberty, loyalty, authority, and purity

"In particular, Haidt has argued that liberals stress only three of the moral foundations (harm, fairness, and liberty) in their reasoning while conservatives stress all six more equally."

Harm = Caring and compassion. And in the book this is shown to be the most dominant point with the liberals. Conservative are more balanced between all six points.

The book is quite an eye opener and you can quickly learn how to make or alter a commercial or ad so that it would more directly appeal to either side of the aisle.
 
Old 10-04-2013, 08:29 PM
 
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Since liberal ideology is geared to help the unfortunate, does it mean liberals themselves are more compassionate?
Well, there is Kathleen "some people live and some people die" Sibelius

and

Harry "Why would I want to do that" Reid

and

Barack "Better off to take a pain pill" 0bama
 
Old 10-04-2013, 08:49 PM
 
Location: Houston
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Liberals are very generous----with other people's money.
 
Old 10-04-2013, 08:50 PM
 
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Well, there is Kathleen "some people live and some people die" Sibelius

and

Harry "Why would I want to do that" Reid

and

Barack "Better off to take a pain pill" 0bama
It of course doesn't always work out as intended.

Maybe the liberals failed to vote in liberals that are liberal enough! <LOL>
 
Old 10-04-2013, 09:13 PM
 
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False compassion, of course. Liberals like to complain, but want others to pay for and work to "solve" the problems that they see with society. Thier job is to complain, just a helpless infant in a dirty diaper- the child knows there is a mess somewhere, but wants and adult to "fix it".

1. If liberals actually cared about the poor, they would start promoting policies that may make them rich, rather than perpetually poor.

2. If liberals actually cared about the homeless, they would take a homeless person into thier home.

3. If liberals actually cared about "CO2 emissions", they would all ride bikes and give up air conditioning and central heat.

4. If liberals actually cared about urban crime, they move into crime ridden neighborhoods to "set an example" for their fellow man.

5. If liberals actually cared about tax revenues for federal programs they want, they would simply voluntarily pay more taxes each year.

6. If liberals actually cared about illegals, they would sponser a mexican family and help them gain citizenship.

7. If liberals cared about "the hungry", they would volunteer and work at the local food pantry.


Liberals are simply the biggest hypocrites on the planet. Like an infant with a dirty diaper, they simply whine, do nothing, and hope to God that an adult can help them. Oh............. I forgot........... they don't believe in God. They hope that Lord Barry can help them.

PS- watch how liberals tip in restaurants. They are the cheapest SOBs on the planet and begrudge a hard working person a decent tip. It is embarrassing to have dinner with libs- I always "take over" their tip to spare them the humiliation.


I call BS here. Do you ask everyone at a restaurant what their political affiliation is and then ask how much they leave as a tip. Yeah, let's here it. And how many libs do you know that you feel you can judge the millions of them. Oh, maybe 3 or 4. You base someone leaving a tip on their politics How about they are just cheap
 
Old 10-04-2013, 09:22 PM
 
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No. Compassion is a human emotion, not an ideology. Many liberals see their liberalism in emotional responses such as being open minded, caring for the poor etc... These are all good things to be, but the mistake is that they confuse these emotions with a political ideology and falsely assume non liberals are against being open minded or helping the poor... Which in turn makes many liberals closed minded and judgmental.

Their are compassionate conservatives and liberals just like there are selfish conservatives and liberals. Political ideology does not have an effect on these emotions.

But if you think that the Democrats such as Obama and Nancy Pelosi have your best interest at heart, you are seriously mistaken. They would love nothing better than to have you lose your job and go live on welfare forever as long as you still voted for them.
Agreed


Let's face it. Liberals purport to "care" about the disadvantaged, but do NOTHING themselves to help them. They are either

lazy
hyprocritical
cheap and tight fisted

Otherwise, liberals would

1. voluntarily pay more taxes- they don't
2. volunteer more than conservatives- they don't
3. contribute more to charity- they don't


Liberals are "generous" and "sympathetic" at cocktail parties with other liberals when they have a few drinks and plenty of hors de voires. Otherwise, when it comes down to actually DOING SOMETHING, they are lazy, tight fisted, and cheap.

Witness the tips that any liberal give- ask any waitress- they are cheap, mean, tight fisted and self centered, small people. They are the atithesis of what Christ asked

Do not take or express your charity, or alms, in public, thus seeking the approval of man. Take and find your alms in private, seeking not the glory of man, but of God. Liberals have violated this suggestion further, by "taking thier glory in public", but in addition, not doing anything at all.

What a perverse and pathetic joke of an ideology, thus it is destined for self destruction.
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