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Old 10-09-2013, 04:06 PM
 
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Actually I got it in the late 60's and early 70's with the rise of the welfare state.


Those of us that believe in and support the free enterprise system are just as outraged and disgusted with "Crony Capitalism" and corporate abuses as are those on the Left. This is not free enterprise, it is monopolyism. While some neocons may partialy support such abuses, paleocons and Libertarians have vehemently opposed the practices cited in the above paragraph.
That's not the case in congress...
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Old 10-09-2013, 06:04 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas,Nevada
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Actually I got it in the late 60's and early 70's with the rise of the welfare state.


Those of us that believe in and support the free enterprise system are just as outraged and disgusted with "Crony Capitalism" and corporate abuses as are those on the Left. This is not free enterprise, it is monopolyism. While some neocons may partialy support such abuses, paleocons and Libertarians have vehemently opposed the practices cited in the above paragraph.
Thank you, it turns market into not what I know and what I can do into Lock who I know, and look what laws I can have passed to screw over everyone else.
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Old 10-09-2013, 08:53 PM
 
Location: Calgary, AB
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See, you all believe in absolutist positions. Food stamps and welfare are always bad. This isn't true. But no one is offering an alternative, other then to say, it's bad. We shouldn't just cut a program with no idea of what will replace it.
"Are there no prisons? And the union workhouses, are they still in operation?"
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Old 10-09-2013, 09:02 PM
 
Location: Calgary, AB
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Actually I got it in the late 60's and early 70's with the rise of the welfare state.


Those of us that believe in and support the free enterprise system are just as outraged and disgusted with "Crony Capitalism" and corporate abuses as are those on the Left. This is not free enterprise, it is monopolyism. While some neocons may partialy support such abuses, paleocons and Libertarians have vehemently opposed the practices cited in the above paragraph.
This actually deserves some applause from one of those on the Left. And it makes no sense to blame the Democrats or the Republicans or the Liberals or the Conservatives or the NDP or the Tories or Labour. It started with Reagan and Thatcher and Mulroney and has not stopped regardless of the parties in power. It is just the way the western world is turning right now.

As an aside, I recommend this three-part episode of CBC's 'Ideas'. It paints an interesting picture.
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Old 10-09-2013, 09:05 PM
 
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It's a symbiotic relationship. Get free stuff in exchange for votes.
^^^^^^Limbaugh speak.
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Old 10-10-2013, 12:00 AM
 
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If you hate "paracitism" you should start at the top. Where is your outrage at those inflating costs of government contracts? They are stealing your money. Where is your outrage at "too big to fail" banking institutions? They have their hand out for government to cover their bad investments. Where is your outrage at sweetheart trading deals? NAFTA and the like. Rigging markets for the benefit of a few. Thats not free market capitalism. Last time I looked there weren't numerous lobbyists for the poor buying dinners and paying for vacations to get congress people to vote their way or writing the bills congress votes on. For every "welfare queen" you can cite there are two fat cats sucking off more money from the government. I have no use for paracites. But lets include all the paracites.
So why didn't Obama do anything about it. It seems that the Obama administration gave them all a pass.
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Old 10-10-2013, 12:06 AM
 
Location: USA
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The folks that run this Country want us to be divided. Rich people paying the Rich media to tell Middle Class people to blame Poor people.

You're being mislead if you believe that poor people are to blame for our Nation's problems.
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Old 10-10-2013, 12:08 AM
 
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Remember kids, the idea of a parasitic class came from Marx.
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Old 10-10-2013, 12:31 AM
 
Location: San Francisco, CA
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Loafing is a man's free choice; charity is yours. A parasite, on the other hand, is a person who demands -- and what is more, who believes -- that others must provide for him what he cannot provide, or chooses not to provide, for himself.

People of fewer scruples now had the power to "vote themselves money" that is, to exploit the naive sympathy or noble sentiments of an entire community. So the modern parasite engenders a mass political movement for parasitism, citing the material abundance around him as evidence of injustice (unfairness). And just as the traditional, "private" parasite requires a rationalization for his behavior, consisting of excuses for his inactivity and sophistries to support his claim on the efforts of others, so the new, mass-movement parasite.

To plunder is to take by force what belongs to another man, and to do so knowingly. To anticipate slightly, we might contrast the traditional tyrant with the parasitocrat by observing that the former declares to his subjects, in effect, "You built that, and now I'm taking it," while the latter says, literally, "You didn't build that."

Articles: Parasitocracy
You probably pay less in taxes and consume more benefits than the average liberal.
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Old 10-10-2013, 02:14 AM
 
Location: New Orleans, La. USA
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Loafing is a man's free choice; charity is yours. A parasite, on the other hand, is a person who demands -- and what is more, who believes -- that others must provide for him what he cannot provide, or chooses not to provide, for himself.

People of fewer scruples now had the power to "vote themselves money" that is, to exploit the naive sympathy or noble sentiments of an entire community. So the modern parasite engenders a mass political movement for parasitism, citing the material abundance around him as evidence of injustice (unfairness). And just as the traditional, "private" parasite requires a rationalization for his behavior, consisting of excuses for his inactivity and sophistries to support his claim on the efforts of others, so the new, mass-movement parasite.

To plunder is to take by force what belongs to another man, and to do so knowingly. To anticipate slightly, we might contrast the traditional tyrant with the parasitocrat by observing that the former declares to his subjects, in effect, "You built that, and now I'm taking it," while the latter says, literally, "You didn't build that."

Articles: Parasitocracy


And people of fewer scruples who now have the power to "vote others money" (when those people don't even need the money.)

Romney's Economic Plan Includes $6.6 Trillion Tax Cut For The Rich And Corporations | ThinkProgress

To plunder is to take the welfare that rightly belongs to the poor, and then give that money to the rich in tax cuts, and to do so knowingly.
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