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Size matters. It is better to have economies of scale. Nobody has to move there to take advantage of it, it's easier to import it here. If the Swiss with their smaller population can do it, it would be even easier for the US to do it.
The Swiss had/have an advantage over the U.S. The majority of their healthcare systems/hospitals were/are owned and operated by the Swiss government.
U.S. healthcare costs are rapidly closing in on 20% of GDP. That's about $8,250 per year, per person- $33,000 for a family of 4.
The fact that you thought you need to say that pretty-much confirms that you know what you wrote wasn't true.
If you have a problem with the numbers, take it up with the CBO. I think reasonable people will accept their authoritative, bipartisan numbers before the numbers of some random, right-winger online.
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By the way, since I soon have to toddle off to work, Why do you object to the whole thread I started?
Because your comments are false, and your perspectives are corrupted. Isn't that a good enough reason?
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One of the funniest things about the whole Obamacare debacle, is the way Democrats are running away from it like frightened rabbits, waving their hands in the air and screaming, "I didn't do it! I didn't do it!"
Your petulant comment shows how little your are paying attention to what other are writing, or how willing you are to lie about what others are writing. The point we keep making is that ACA represents a compromise between what the left wanted (universal healthcare) and what the right wanted (callous disregard for those less affluent).
If you cannot be honorable in your characterization of what folks on the left are writing, you're going to find your comments continually ridiculed for their demonstrated lack of comprehension and/or integrity.
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You KNOW it's a failure, when the people who have pushed it, bribed for it, lied about it under oath, violated the Constitution for it, and forced it into place, are now trying to pretend it's all Republicans' fault.
We've had it here for many years. It works great. But we Democrats cannot take credit for it. It was a compromise. Republicans had a major hand in crafting its outline, and in making it the law here in Massachusetts.
No matter how much you inadvertently or deliberately lie about it.
Are you really this dumb? ObamaCare was based on what Romney as Governor instituted in Massachussets.
Here is what you Dems sound like: Obamacare is the bestest free sh*t ever thought by a human. And if it is really the worstest, then Bush or Romney did it.
Are you really this dumb? ObamaCare was based on what Romney as Governor instituted in Massachussets.
But Democare was passed with Democrats voting for it and Republicans not voting for it, therefore it is strictly a Democrat Program. If the Democrats were still in total control and called a constitutional convention, adopting a constitution based on the USSR of the early 1900s, would Lenin and Marx be responsible?
Your petulant comment shows how little your are paying attention to what other are writing, or how willing you are to lie about what others are writing. The point we keep making is that ACA represents a compromise between what the left wanted (universal healthcare) and what the right wanted (callous disregard for those less affluent).
Compromise? What Compromise? The Dems did not accept any input from Republicans before they voted on Democare, before they even read the bill that their lobbyists or staff members wrote. Does anybody really know who wrote it? Nobody seems to have read it before it was voted on. Obviously no one who wrote it voted on it.
Compromise? What Compromise? The Dems did not accept any input from Republicans before they voted on Democare, before they even read the bill that their lobbyists or staff members wrote. Does anybody really know who wrote it? Nobody seems to have read it before it was voted on. Obviously no one who wrote it voted on it.
The same people who wrote Romneycare, Greg Sargent and Jonathan Gruber.
ACA represents a compromise between what the left wanted (universal healthcare) and what the right wanted (callous disregard for those less affluent).
Compromise? What Compromise?
You continually fail to read the messages you reply to. That's a ridiculous way of behaving.
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The Dems did not accept any input from Republicans
If the supporters of the bill put forward what they wanted we would have universal healthcare. Stop lying about what happened. The has been a very public national debate for decades about this, and ACA is the reflection of a compromise originally proposed by conservatives as a matter of fact, and reflects something that blue dogs could support and that right-wingers wouldn't filibuster. Nothing so clearly characterizes it as a compromise than that.
This incessant childish denial by right-wingers has got to stop. 40+ times they tried to repeal ACA. They've failed every time. Finally they threatened the creditworthiness of the United States to try to get their petulant way, and they failed at that too. It's time to grow up and stop acting like spoiled children. Right-wingers have to learn that they live in a society with other people and that sometimes means compromising, and in this case, behind honest at least to themselves and admitting that ACA is very much a compromise.
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I continue to be amused at the efforts by the board's liberals to disown the disaster known as the ACA. "It's a Republican bill!"
I continue to be amazed at the efforts of the board's right-wingers to defy reason and deny not only the reality but also deny what liberals on this board have actually said.
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