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Old 11-12-2013, 03:47 PM
 
Location: Central Maine
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Hopefully most. And the republicans that voted for it as well. But realistically, his supporters love it. This man could do NO wrong in their eyes.
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Old 11-12-2013, 03:49 PM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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I just can't see anything but a major hit to Dems in 2014. Remember R's took the house in 2010 in large part due to ACA. It was signed in March 2010 IIRC, and the R's took the house in Nov. 2010.

The Medicaid recipients mention by Happy Texan would not be likely to have ever voted R anyway. But the millions of people who were cancelled presumably are proportionally split among Rs, Ds, and indys. A lot of them are going to be so pissed that they'll vote 'anyone' but D. Now I'm reading that it is expected that the self-imposed Nov 30 deadline is not going to be met by healthcare.gov, and so people who have been cancelled will experience a gap in coverage. A healthcare shut down, if you will.
Time to Start Considering Obamacare's Worst Case Scenarios - Hit & Run : Reason.com

These are going to be very upset voters. And the D's are the sole owners of ACA, lock-stock-barrel. Remember they passed with not 1 R vote. And BTW, an Obamacare architect, MIT econ prof Jon Gruber, is out there saying that there is no way to unwind the cancellation mess.
Viable fix for individual market may be nonstarter - POLITICO.com

The way I heard one pundit put it was that these cancellations were a 'feature, not a bug' of Obamacare.
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Old 11-12-2013, 03:57 PM
 
Location: Chandler, AZ
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ObamaCare is loaded with mandatory items which must be covered in any existing insurance policy, three of which are vision care and mental health care as well as pediatric dental care.

The Democrats are pathetically now trying to blame the insurance companies instead of themselves because upwards of 5,000,000 citizens have lost their insurance coverage, and that number is bound to explode as HMOs such as Kaiser & Blue Croos continue cranking out tons of cancellation notices.

I expect that several of the 16 Democratic Senators who are up for reelection next November will lose, since no party in the history of this country has ever inflicted such a devastating self-inflicted wound upon itself.

Another one of daffy David Letterman's 'stupid human tricks, right before your eyes.

Democrats have never learned that big government programs will ever work; most of them wind up going up in flames, just like Hillarycare did 20 years ago.
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Old 11-12-2013, 08:34 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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The CBO is saying now that 10 years from now under the ACA there will still be 31 million uninsured.

What was that gain again?
The gain will be that the number of uninsured will have dropped from 49 million to 30 million. That number would have been lower had Republicans not tried so hard to block ACA. Also, 129 million Americans have pre-existing conditions, thanks to ACA they cannot be denied healthcare for that reason.
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Old 11-13-2013, 08:10 PM
 
Location: Prepperland
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I predict that the Republican party will snatch defeat from the jaws of victory, by backing down on repealing ACA and NOT holding BHO accountable for perjury (lying while an oath bound public servant).

We shall see. We shall see.
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Old 11-13-2013, 08:16 PM
 
Location: Prepperland
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... thanks to ACA they cannot be denied healthcare for that reason.
That is incorrect. Pre-existing conditions affected INSURANCE, not care.

The question EVERYONE DUCKS is : why did costs go so high that one needed insurance (another load on the patient's wallet)?

[] Who criminalized unlicensed trade, converting the right to healthcare into a government controlled privilege?
[] Who debased the money supply, and generated inflation?
[] Who authorized ridiculous lawsuits and avoided tort reform?
[] Who throttled the supply of caregivers by closing down medical schools?
...

Medical school - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
In the nineteenth century, there were over four hundred medical schools in the United States. By 1910, the number was reduced to one hundred and forty-eight medical schools and by 1930 the number totaled only seventy-six.

By 1935, there were only 66 medical schools operating in the USA.
....
BEFORE MEDDLING : 400+ medical schools
AFTER MEDDLING : 66 medical schools

Yeah, government is on "our" side.
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Old 11-13-2013, 10:32 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas,Nevada
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Hopefully most. And the republicans that voted for it as well. But realistically, his supporters love it. This man could do NO wrong in their eyes.
It was all the Democrats, not a single Republican voted for it.
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Old 11-14-2013, 09:45 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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That is incorrect. Pre-existing conditions affected INSURANCE, not care.

The question EVERYONE DUCKS is : why did costs go so high that one needed insurance (another load on the patient's wallet)?

[] Who criminalized unlicensed trade, converting the right to healthcare into a government controlled privilege?
[] Who debased the money supply, and generated inflation?
[] Who authorized ridiculous lawsuits and avoided tort reform?
[] Who throttled the supply of caregivers by closing down medical schools?
...

Medical school - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
In the nineteenth century, there were over four hundred medical schools in the United States. By 1910, the number was reduced to one hundred and forty-eight medical schools and by 1930 the number totaled only seventy-six.

By 1935, there were only 66 medical schools operating in the USA.
....
BEFORE MEDDLING : 400+ medical schools
AFTER MEDDLING : 66 medical schools

Yeah, government is on "our" side.
The American Medical Association was created by doctors, not government to help regulate and set a standard for curriculum with medical education.
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Old 11-16-2013, 09:23 PM
 
Location: The Land of Reason
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By election time, the shutdown will be old news and both sides are blamed for the shutdown. Obamacare will once again be in the headlines as the extensions near expiration and more people are hit with the reality of what has happened to their health care. Democrats OWN the ACA..... Every last page of it.

Unless there are some correction to the ACA (which the republicans will do anything to prevent), and the republicans gives another clown for ridicule it still may be a democratic party in the W.H
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Old 11-16-2013, 09:25 PM
 
Location: The Land of Reason
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The American Medical Association was created by doctors, not government to help regulate and set a standard for curriculum with medical education.
Also take note that he did not mention the rising cost of medical school
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