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Old 11-11-2013, 12:38 PM
 
Location: San Francisco
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Of course, when a conservative steps up to try to put a stop to this madness, Democrats and liberals demagogue them (us) to death for trying to deprive little Juan or Tyrone or Jimmy of his Fruity Pebbles!
But when a liberal tries to suggest that maybe people should eat broccoli and drink water once in a while instead of subsisting on sugar water and junk food, Republicans and conservatives demagogue them to death, saying "you'll pry my Doritos and Big Gulps out of my cold dead hands!".

 
Old 11-11-2013, 12:42 PM
 
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A doctor's appointment after eating a breakfast paid for by food stamps? Gee, I wonder who will be paying for that medical visit!



Of course, when a conservative steps up to try to put a stop to this madness, Democrats and liberals demagogue them (us) to death for trying to deprive little Juan or Tyrone or Jimmy of his Fruity Pebbles!





This woman is the THE PERFECT example of failed liberal ideology. She's the child of immigrants. She's fat. She's disabled. She does not work. She receive's food stamps. She has 5 obese children.

Is there a more perfect example of how liberals and liberalism are the death of America?

How the food stamp diet is leaving the Rio Grande Valley both hungry and obese | The Washington Post
Mexicans who live on the border always cross into Mexico for their cookies, beer, cheese, candies, tortillas. The border folks were always saying you could see the 3 basic food groups cross the border; tortillas, cheese and beer. And then some blob in a car has cookies, candies sodas.......
 
Old 11-11-2013, 12:48 PM
 
Location: Suffolk, Va
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But when a liberal tries to suggest that maybe people should eat broccoli and drink water, Republicans and conservatives demagogue them to death, saying "you'll pry my Doritos and Big Gulps out of my cold dead hands!".
yep. look how they talk about the first lady when she talks about eating healthy.

what RWNJs are really saying is that people on food stamps don't deserve the same freedoms as the rest of us to choose what their families should eat. the same people who complain about this woman and her family eating this god-awful diet would complain if she instead took her family to whole foods and bought organic everything. "if she can buy organic food that I can't even afford, she doesn't need food stamps!", they'd exclaim. because what they really are all about is controlling the poor and punishing them for being poor. imagine if there were government employees sent to educate families like this one on proper nutrition and how to budget their food allowance paid for by tax payers. they'd whine about that too. what if we put gov't. subsidized farmer's markets in the many urban "food deserts" in America. the outrage would still be there from the right. they hate the poor.
 
Old 11-11-2013, 12:53 PM
 
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But when a liberal tries to suggest that maybe people should eat broccoli and drink water once in a while instead of subsisting on sugar water and junk food, Republicans and conservatives demagogue them to death, saying "you'll pry my Doritos and Big Gulps out of my cold dead hands!".

I thought it was a good article. You would think people from both sides could come together and make some reasonable changes. We are still going to have obesity and a lot of it is genetics. Can you imagine the uproar from conservatives if smokers had to pay more for Medicare...you wouldn't hear the end of it.
 
Old 11-11-2013, 12:54 PM
 
Location: San Francisco
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Mexicans who live on the border always cross into Mexico for their cookies, beer, cheese, candies, tortillas. The border folks were always saying you could see the 3 basic food groups cross the border; tortillas, cheese and beer. And then some blob in a car has cookies, candies sodas.......
Mexico -- not the U.S. -- is the fattest country in the world, and it's not exactly known for the generosity of its welfare system. A lot of it has to do with the ubiquity of (highly profitable) sugary drinks pushed by multinational corporations. When a 2-liter bottle of Coke costs 99 cents and a half-gallon of orange juice costs $3, it's not surprising that so many poor people opt for the former, especially if they've never received any information about nutrition from anyone.
 
Old 11-11-2013, 12:56 PM
 
Location: North Carolina
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Education and easy access to contraception are the keys to lowering birth rates among those who cannot afford to have children, which is why you are seeing a declining birthrate among these groups.

The Catholic Church and conservatives in general have been hostile to these very things which have proven effective.
When all of those conservatives start whining about having to pay for birth control and start up about how "immoral" abortion is ...and have made sure that poor people are denied access to it, can they really be surprised how the OP's "Family of Failure" is the result? That's the outcome of your "moral outrage"

Pay Up!!!!
 
Old 11-11-2013, 12:56 PM
 
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Mexico -- not the U.S. -- is the fattest country in the world, and it's not exactly known for the generosity of its welfare system. A lot of is has to do with the ubiquity of sugary drinks pushed by multinational corporations. When a 2-liter bottle of Coke costs 99 cents and a half-gallon of orange juice costs $3, it's not surprising they opt for the former.
You should watch Food, Inc. It discusses that very premise, high fructose corn syrup. Pandering right into the hands of the poor.
 
Old 11-11-2013, 12:59 PM
 
Location: Texas
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yep. look how they talk about the first lady when she talks about eating healthy.

what RWNJs are really saying is that people on food stamps don't deserve the same freedoms as the rest of us to choose what their families should eat. the same people who complain about this woman and her family eating this god-awful diet would complain if she instead took her family to whole foods and bought organic everything. "if she can buy organic food that I can't even afford, she doesn't need food stamps!", they'd exclaim. because what they really are all about is controlling the poor and punishing them for being poor. imagine if there were government employees sent to educate families like this one on proper nutrition and how to budget their food allowance paid for by tax payers. they'd whine about that too. what if we put gov't. subsidized farmer's markets in the many urban "food deserts" in America. the outrage would still be there from the right. they hate the poor.
You are going from one extreme to the other.
 
Old 11-11-2013, 12:59 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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doesn't this isht ever get old to you RWNJs? are these poor people really the ones threatening the prosperity of the shrunken middle class? no.
Actually, because our country has a progressive tax system, yes, they are.
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the real death of America is coming to you courtesy of the rich elitists and their henchmen, the politicians, who are doing everything they can to destroy the middle class while telling you to "look over there! she's taking all your money getting over on food stamps!"
No. Inform yourself...

When a government is over-reliant on the highest income earners for tax revenue, as is the U.S., it creates a perverse incentive to keep the income gap as wide as possible so that tax revenue is maximized. The more our country has to spend on social welfare programs, the more the government needs to keep the income gap as wide as possible in order to collect the taxes necessary to fund the growing welfare programs.

By supporting a 'soak the rich' mentality, the left, middle class, or whoever, is gullibly and willingly participating in their own economic suppression.

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Other countries' taxes are highly regressive - Washington Post

The Europeans want their social programs, but they're willing to pay for them. Left-leaning Americans want our country to have European-style social programs, but they want someone else to pay for them.

Notice, too, that the countries that have regressive tax systems also have far less income inequality. I've previously explained why our progressive tax system actually creates an incentive for the government to promote highly unequal incomes. The more the top 1% earns, the more tax revenue the government collects. More here:
//www.city-data.com/forum/28408475-post977.html

Economist Anatole Kaletsky states the same:
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Kaletsky argues that over-reliance on progressives taxes creates “a perverse incentive for governments to promote income inequality. If the solvency of the state and the ability to fund basic services for the poorest people in society depends on the rich getting even richer, it is tempting for even the most progressive politicians to support widening inequalities.”
The liberal case for regressive taxation - Salon.com

Many Americans don't understand that very basic concept and therefore are firmly entrenched in demanding the U.S.'s progressive tax system 'soak the rich,' which by its very nature depends on keeping the income gap as wide as possible.
 
Old 11-11-2013, 01:00 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Mexico -- not the U.S. -- is the fattest country in the world, and it's not exactly known for the generosity of its welfare system. A lot of it has to do with the ubiquity of (highly profitable) sugary drinks pushed by multinational corporations. When a 2-liter bottle of Coke costs 99 cents and a half-gallon of orange juice costs $3, it's not surprising that so many poor people opt for the former, especially if they've never received any information about nutrition from anyone.
What is wrong with water?
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