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Old 11-26-2013, 04:59 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Originally Posted by pollyrobin View Post
I see no reason why Medicaid patients, those on welfare and disability, can not have at minimum,
5 percent deducted from their handout to pay towards their own health care. After all, they
utilize the system more than anyone else. And regardless of how poor one is, they have to
contribute. We all do.
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Sweet JC...people were screaming about a negligible cut in food stamps last month and you think a reduction if benefits would fly? Sure, when pigs do.

 
Old 11-26-2013, 05:45 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Sweet JC...people were screaming about a negligible cut in food stamps last month and you think a reduction if benefits would fly? Sure, when pigs do.
It wasn't even a cut. It was an expiration of a temporary hike.
Bush cuts expires..outrage
FICA reduction expires..outrage
SNAP increase expires..outrage

Imagine of there were real "cuts" to programs ?

The problem with social programs is that it's one way street.
Once you start handing out money you cannot rescind it and remove it or cut it because people become dependent on it.
SNAP is "supplemental" but from the stories out there SNAP is all they use for their food money.

The only programs that they talk of cutting are SS and medicare, both programs that taxpayers pay into.
Programs today won't but cut to pay for yet another new program.
Going to have to find another funding source..a steady one too.
 
Old 11-26-2013, 07:10 AM
 
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Here is Covered California's Executive Director's Report, Nov 21, 2013

http://www.healthexchange.ca.gov/Boa...21,%202013.pdf

As of Oct 31, the breakdown of applications was:

30% exchange eligible and subsidized
31% exchange eligible and not subsidized
39% possibly Medi-Cal eligible

The raw numbers (October), for exchange applicants (not counting Medi-Cal eligible):
36,761 subsidy eligible
77,751 subsidy ineligible

Of those who enrolled (plan selected and enrolled in) in October, not including Medi-Cal data:
4,852 are subsidized
25,978 are not subsidized.

November has seen more activity than October. As of Nov 19, 79,891 individuals had selected a plan and enrolled in it, out of 360,464 who have completed an application.
Terrific. That leaves how many people who have to enroll by April to meet the goal ? A mere 500,000 or so.
 
Old 11-26-2013, 07:39 AM
 
Location: Palo Alto
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Terrific. That leaves how many people who have to enroll by April to meet the goal ? A mere 500,000 or so.
They were counting on millions of healthy kids enrolling. In California less than 5,000 previously uninsured kids have enrolled. They represent 14% of the population of 40+ million. Out of 6 million kids, they've enrolled a few thousand new payers into the system.

Regardless of your position on the ACA or healthcare, it's clear that the initial results are troubling.
 
Old 11-26-2013, 07:46 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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One items that puzzles me is the mandatory maternity part.
If 50% of babies born are paid for by medicaid why is this an "essential service" ?
Medicaid people don't pay premiums.
And more will go on medicaid.

I'm more concerned with medicaid cost skyrocketing and no money to fund it.
 
Old 11-26-2013, 08:06 AM
 
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One items that puzzles me is the mandatory maternity part.
If 50% of babies born are paid for by medicaid why is this an "essential service" ?
Medicaid people don't pay premiums.
And more will go on medicaid.

I'm more concerned with medicaid cost skyrocketing and no money to fund it.
Wait until their Utopian bubble bursts in 2015 and we see just how destructive this ignorant foolish law truly is.

By that time our entire medical system may be on the ropes, and what will be the answer, why.... more ham-fisted intervention by the federal government of course. The first, last, and only answer to everything in the minds of the left, is more government, more bureaucracy, more taxes, more nameless, faceless, bureaucratic masterminds with Utopian, taxpayer funded promises to magically "fix" it all.
 
Old 11-26-2013, 08:11 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Wait until their Utopian bubble bursts in 2015 and we see just how destructive this ignorant foolish law truly is.

By that time our entire medical system may be on the ropes, and what will be the answer, why.... more ham-fisted intervention by the federal government of course. The first, last, and only answer to everything in the minds of the left, is more government, more bureaucracy, more taxes, more nameless, faceless, bureaucratic masterminds with Utopian, taxpayer funded promises to magically "fix" it all.
I think you'll be able to find cash only doctors.
The concern here is hospitalization/emergency care.
 
Old 11-26-2013, 08:25 AM
 
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Sweet JC...people were screaming about a negligible cut in food stamps last month and you think a reduction if benefits would fly? Sure, when pigs do.
Maybe if we had a "take it or leave it" attitude. They only get away with what our
leadership (and I say that loosely) and tax payers allow them to.
 
Old 11-26-2013, 08:43 AM
 
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They were counting on millions of healthy kids enrolling. In California less than 5,000 previously uninsured kids have enrolled. They represent 14% of the population of 40+ million. Out of 6 million kids, they've enrolled a few thousand new payers into the system.

Regardless of your position on the ACA or healthcare, it's clear that the initial results are troubling.
NY and CT, two other examples of good state exchanges, show similar problems. Lower than needed enrollment, enrollment heavily skewed toward people over age 45, Medicaid far exceeding insurance.

The optimists or true believers insist that people are waiting until closer to the deadline to enroll. When they're proven wrong, I suppose their line will be wait until the Next year or it's the R's fault.
 
Old 11-26-2013, 08:46 AM
 
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I think you'll be able to find cash only doctors.
The concern here is hospitalization/emergency care.
The cost of cancer treatments in the US is skyrocketing and it is outpatient.
How many folks have 200,000 laying around for chemo/radiation treatments?

That is why it is foolish to continue this health insurance facade.
If we are to pay a tax, get the added overhead of profit (private insurance) out of the way.
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