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Must have missed that Q. I am not for duplicating medical infrastructure by having government run clinics and doctors on the government's payroll.
What I do think we should do is emulate the single payer insurance plan that works everywhere else. Medicare for all is my solution.
Medicare for all is not the worst idea. We're trying to get the worst idea to work right now. Hopefully after that gets discarded we can start in on your idea, or somebody else's, that will actually get care to everyone and control costs. Of course, Medicare needs quite a bit of cleaning up before it gets expanded.
Medicare for all is not the worst idea. We're trying to get the worst idea to work right now. Hopefully after that gets discarded we can start in on your idea, or somebody else's, that will actually get care to everyone and control costs. Of course, Medicare needs quite a bit of cleaning up before it gets expanded.
It's close to the worst idea. The reason health care costs have ballooned is precisely because of government interference vis-a-vis programs like Medicare.
If you want to hasten the demise of the country by bankrupting it a little quicker, then yeah - go ahead and give Medicare to everyone.
It hasn't happened yet because the employer mandate was delayed.
The point is, the '80% unaffected' is hogwash because changes for that 80% aren't effective yet.
When you stop using the 80% bull, perhaps others will stop pointing out the law doesn't affect them yet.
Right now, 80% are unaffected.. and 80% will remain unaffected. their insurer will have to buy healthcare if they are over 50 employees big. Period.....
If employers make them contribute more of their paycheck , it's on them.
Obamacare was meant to SLOW the growht of health insurance cost over the long haul. It isn't a magic pill that will suddenly stop incresaes from occurring.
Guess what, employers were increasing premium contirbutions by employers LONG BEFORE Obamacare came to be. THey were also cutting off insuring employee families and many were insuring only the employee because of the cost.
Part of the reason why our pay has gone in REVERSE is because those "increases" were added on the benefits end with the double digit rise in the price on insurance companies.
Right now, we know that 80% are unaffected.Period. What you have said, again, is conjecture with no proof it will even occurr as you "predict" ..
Come back to tell me "I told you so" when it actually happens.. IF it even does.
Right now, 80% are unaffected.. and 80% will remain unaffected. their insurer will have to buy healthcare if they are over 50 employees big. Period.....
If employers make them contribute more of their paycheck , it's on them.
Obamacare was meant to SLOW the growht of health insurance cost over the long haul. It isn't a magic pill that will suddenly stop incresaes from occurring.
Guess what, employers were increasing premium contirbutions by employers LONG BEFORE Obamacare came to be. THey were also cutting off insuring employee families and many were insuring only the employee because of the cost.
Part of the reason why our pay has gone in REVERSE is because those "increases" were added on the benefits end with the double digit rise in the price on insurance companies.
Right now, we know that 80% are unaffected.Period. What you have said, again, is conjecture with no proof it will even occurr as you "predict" ..
Come back to tell me "I told you so" when it actually happens.. IF it even does.
I guess you are pretty clueless or think the glass is always full.
Big corps are already starting to unload many lower salary workers to the exchanges.
The individual market is just getting hit now.
Let me guess? You are one of the winners? Over age 50? Or have pre existing condition? Or qualify for medicaid or subsides?
Trust me. This time it's not the top 5% income tax bracket paying more. It's more like top 20-25% bracket.
Obama won by 5 million votes. Not much more than 4 million bush 43 won by in 2004.
Votes will shift quickly when the middle class are or will get hit with paying full price.
And it's not 80% unaffected. It's much less unaffected.
I guess you are pretty clueless or think the glass is always full.
Big corps are already starting to unload many lower salary workers to the exchanges.
The individual market is just getting hit now.
Let me guess? You are one of the winners? Over age 50? Or have pre existing condition? Or qualify for medicaid or subsides?
Trust me. This time it's not the top 5% income tax bracket paying more. It's more like top 20-25% bracket.
Obama won by 5 million votes. Not much more than 4 million bush 43 won by in 2004.
Votes will shift quickly when the middle class are or will get hit with paying full price.
And it's not 80% unaffected. It's much less unaffected.
Actually the MA experience was that the number with employer insurance increased substantially with Romneycare. This might be different but I don't see why off hand.
Right now, 80% are unaffected.. and 80% will remain unaffected. their insurer will have to buy healthcare if they are over 50 employees big. Period.....
If employers make them contribute more of their paycheck , it's on them.
Obamacare was meant to SLOW the growht of health insurance cost over the long haul. It isn't a magic pill that will suddenly stop incresaes from occurring.
Guess what, employers were increasing premium contirbutions by employers LONG BEFORE Obamacare came to be. THey were also cutting off insuring employee families and many were insuring only the employee because of the cost.
Part of the reason why our pay has gone in REVERSE is because those "increases" were added on the benefits end with the double digit rise in the price on insurance companies.
Right now, we know that 80% are unaffected.Period. What you have said, again, is conjecture with no proof it will even occurr as you "predict" ..
Come back to tell me "I told you so" when it actually happens.. IF it even does.
Only to a true believer is it sensible to count people the law doesn't yet apply to in the # who have already been negatively affected. The sensible and fair thing is to look at the bad impact for people who the law Now applies to.
When employers start increasing copays, coinsurance, deductibles, etc., it'll be ok with you because 'it's on the employer,' you can blame employers, the heck with the negative impact on workers.
Employers won't have to implement Ocare. They can choose the penalty.
Right now, 80% are unaffected.. and 80% will remain unaffected. their insurer will have to buy healthcare if they are over 50 employees big. Period.....
If employers make them contribute more of their paycheck , it's on them.
Obamacare was meant to SLOW the growht of health insurance cost over the long haul. It isn't a magic pill that will suddenly stop incresaes from occurring.
Guess what, employers were increasing premium contirbutions by employers LONG BEFORE Obamacare came to be. THey were also cutting off insuring employee families and many were insuring only the employee because of the cost.
Part of the reason why our pay has gone in REVERSE is because those "increases" were added on the benefits end with the double digit rise in the price on insurance companies.
Right now, we know that 80% are unaffected.Period. What you have said, again, is conjecture with no proof it will even occurr as you "predict" ..
Come back to tell me "I told you so" when it actually happens.. IF it even does.
No it wasn't. Obamacare does not deal with cost.
Obamacare is subsidized health insurance with all caps/restrictions removed..plain and simple.
Obamacare deals with insurance, not cost of services.
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