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Old 11-28-2013, 06:01 PM
 
Location: Northridge/Porter Ranch, Calif.
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Originally Posted by hothulamaui View Post
did I miss your reply or was it easier to just skip it? you Reagan lovers always seem to gloss over the facts
Your "facts" are flawed.

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tripled the national debt
Congress outspent Reagan.

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unemployment went from 7.5% to 11%
And went back down to 5.5% when he left office.

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cut taxes for his rich pals while raising taxes on the middle class
The middle class were paying less in taxes, by percent, by the end of his presidency than they were under Carter.

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ignored the aids epidemic
Please stop repeating that myth over and over.

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granted amnesty to 3 million illegals (most right wing folks don't like that sort of thing)
It wasn't a blanket amnesty. There were requirements. And Congress was supposed to clamp down on illegal immigration, but didn't. (Most left wing folks don't like that sort of thing.)

 
Old 11-28-2013, 06:03 PM
 
Location: SoCal
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Ronald Reagan sucked.
Totally, at least as U.S. President.

IMHO, Reagan is overrated, possibly way overrated. He might have been a charmer, handsome, and a decent or good actor, but he was probably not a very good U.S. President.
 
Old 11-28-2013, 06:17 PM
 
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Totally, at least as U.S. President.

IMHO, Reagan is overrated, possibly way overrated. He might have been a charmer, handsome, and a decent or good actor, but he was probably not a very good U.S. President.
Thus, outcomes and the well being of the US public means nothing to you. That is why you are a liberal, as universal misery of the populace is "acceptable" for implementation of party dogma. In the past, this is what we used to call "idiots" or"fanatics". Now we call them "party loyalists"?

What was the average inflation rated income of US citizen under Reagan?

What was the average, inflation rated, net wealth of Americans under Reagan?

What was the unemployment rate under Reagan?

What was the perception of US international power under Reagan?


IF one assumes that the purpose of government is to deliver economic misery and lower standards of living to its people, then Reagan is a failure. One would , then suggest that Obama is a tremendous success.

Have you liberals lost your mind? The purpose of a government is to allow people to pursue their goals, live free, and to prosper. The purpose of a government is not for the populace to endure economic misery and hardship for abstract ideological goals. WTF are you thinking????:sm ack:

Answer- Liberals rarely think
 
Old 11-28-2013, 06:22 PM
 
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Thus, outcomes and the well being of the US public means nothing to you. That is why you are a liberal, as universal misery of the populace is "acceptable" for implementation of party dogma. In the past, this is what we used to call "idiots" or"fanatics". Now we call them "party loyalists"?

What was the average inflation rated income of US citizen under Reagan?

What was the average, inflation rated, net wealth of Americans under Reagan?

What was the unemployment rate under Reagan?

What was the perception of US international power under Reagan?


IF one assumes that the purpose of government is to deliver economic misery and lower standards of living to its people, then Reagan is a failure. One would , then suggest that Obama is a tremendous success.

Have you liberals lost your mind? The purpose of a government is to allow people to pursue their goals, live free, and to prosper. The purpose of a government is not for the populace to endure economic misery and hardship for abstract ideological goals. WTF are you thinking????:sm ack:

Answer- Liberals rarely think
You keep smacking yourself and you won't be able to think either.
 
Old 11-28-2013, 06:41 PM
 
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Originally Posted by hawkeye2009 View Post
Thus, outcomes and the well being of the US public means nothing to you. That is why you are a liberal, as universal misery of the populace is "acceptable" for implementation of party dogma. In the past, this is what we used to call "idiots" or"fanatics". Now we call them "party loyalists"?

What was the average inflation rated income of US citizen under Reagan?

What was the average, inflation rated, net wealth of Americans under Reagan?

What was the unemployment rate under Reagan?

What was the perception of US international power under Reagan?


IF one assumes that the purpose of government is to deliver economic misery and lower standards of living to its people, then Reagan is a failure. One would , then suggest that Obama is a tremendous success.

Have you liberals lost your mind? The purpose of a government is to allow people to pursue their goals, live free, and to prosper. The purpose of a government is not for the populace to endure economic misery and hardship for abstract ideological goals. WTF are you thinking????:sm ack:

Answer- Liberals rarely think
the national debt tripling and unemployment going from 7.5 to 11 is ok with you? giving tax breaks to the rich and raising middle income taxes fine? Iran Contra bother you at all? turning a blind eye to the aids epidemic bothersome? funding "freedom fighters"? amnesty to illegals? dementia in the white house? Nancy dictating his schedule on the advise of her astrologer is a sane way to run the country. no real retaliation for the deaths of over 300 marines in Beirut sits well with you?
 
Old 11-28-2013, 06:44 PM
 
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the national debt tripling and unemployment going from 7.5 to 11 is ok with you? giving tax breaks to the rich and raising middle income taxes fine? Iran Contra bother you at all? turning a blind eye to the aids epidemic bothersome? funding "freedom fighters"? amnesty to illegals? dementia in the white house? Nancy dictating his schedule on the advise of her astrologer is a sane way to run the country. no real retaliation for the deaths of over 300 marines in Beirut sits well with you?
Hilarious coming from someone who has never uttered a single word of criticism for our current failure of a President.
 
Old 11-28-2013, 06:47 PM
 
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Hilarious coming from someone who has never uttered a single word of criticism for our current failure of a President.
nice deflection you want to defend Ronnie's record? as far as my criticism of Obama I have posted about it, you need to read more. besides Obama's record has nothing to do with Reagan's failures.
 
Old 11-28-2013, 06:48 PM
 
Location: SoCal
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Hilarious coming from someone who has never uttered a single word of criticism for our current failure of a President.
I'm not sure about the user whom you are responding to, but I myself have criticized both Obama and Reagan if I felt that they screwed up somewhere.
 
Old 11-28-2013, 06:54 PM
 
Location: SoCal
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Originally Posted by hothulamaui View Post
the national debt tripling and unemployment going from 7.5 to 11 is ok with you? giving tax breaks to the rich and raising middle income taxes fine? Iran Contra bother you at all? turning a blind eye to the aids epidemic bothersome? funding "freedom fighters"? amnesty to illegals? dementia in the white house? Nancy dictating his schedule on the advise of her astrologer is a sane way to run the country. no real retaliation for the deaths of over 300 marines in Beirut sits well with you?
In regards to the unemployment rate increases between early 1981 and late 1982, I am willing to cut Reagan and Volcker some slack in regards to this since this might have been necessary to reduce inflation. As for the "freedom fighters" in Afghanistan, the mistake wasn't so much in funding them (after all, they were anti-Soviet), but in not giving a larger proportion of the funding to the more moderate ones and in disengaging from Afghanistan too quickly after the USSR withdrew from there.

I do agree with many of your other points here, though.
 
Old 11-28-2013, 10:43 PM
 
Location: On the edge of the universe
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Well, both Reagan and Obama stink as presidents if you ask me!
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