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Old 12-21-2013, 10:53 AM
 
Location: St Paul
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Originally Posted by HappyTexan View Post
The flu shot is not 100% guaranteed to protect you.
It's more near 60% and one never knows if what's in the shot is the flu that strikes that season.

Many people are of the mistaken belief that they are 100% protected against "the flu" regardless of strain.
Understand that 60% figure is new and has been massaged to be persuasive. It's been debunked and the real figure is 1.5% Shock vaccine study reveals influenza vaccines only prevent the flu in 1.5 out of 100 adults (not 60% as you've been told) Also, it's important to understand how much money Big Pharma and the politicians stand to make in this deal, as well as understanding that Big pharma spends more on marketing (which includes propaganda and paying fr8iejndly scientists for friendly research) than they do on R/D. It's all a racket.

 
Old 12-21-2013, 04:26 PM
 
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Hey, what's one more?

"The Pourcyrous study (5) was the first study to examine the impact of multi-vaccinations on the immature brain. It is clear from the results of this study that the more vaccines a child has, the larger impact the vaccines have on the child’s brain. Massroor Pourcyrous, MD, Sheldon B. Korones, MD, Kristopher L. Arheart PhD, Henrietta S. Bada, MD studied 239 preterm infants who were given either a single vaccine or multiple vaccines, their results are as follows:

Abnormal elevation of CRP level occurred in 85% of infants administered multiple vaccines and up to 70% of those given a single vaccine. Overall, 16% of infants had vaccine-associated cardiorespiratory events within 48 hours postimmunization. In logistic regression analysis, abnormal CRP values were associated with multiple vaccines (OR, 15.77; 95% CI 5.10-48.77) and severe intraventricular hemorrhage (IVH) (OR, 2.28; 95% CI 1.02-5.13). Cardiorespiratory events were associated marginally with receipt of multiple injections (OR, 3.62; 95% CI 0.99-13.25) and significantly with gastroesophageal reflux (GER) (OR, 4.76; 95% CI 1.22-18.52)."

- See more at: Baby Dies After 9 Vaccines In One Day - :
 
Old 12-21-2013, 07:00 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Elsevier

Abnormal elevation of CRP level occurred in 85% of infants administered multiple vaccines and up to 70% of those given a single vaccine. Overall, 16% of infants had vaccine-associated cardiorespiratory events within 48 hours postimmunization. In logistic regression analysis, abnormal CRP values were associated with multiple vaccines (OR, 15.77; 95% CI 5.10-48.77) and severe intraventricular hemorrhage (IVH) (OR, 2.28; 95% CI 1.02-5.13). Cardiorespiratory events were associated marginally with receipt of multiple injections (OR, 3.62; 95% CI 0.99-13.25) and significantly with gastroesophageal reflux (GER) (OR, 4.76; 95% CI 1.22-18.52).
Conclusion

CRP level is expected to be elevated in the 48 hours following immunization.


Primary immunization of premature infants with ges... [J Pediatr. 2007] - PubMed - NCBI
RESULTS:

Abnormal elevation of CRP level occurred in 85% of infants administered multiple vaccines and up to 70% of those given a single vaccine. Overall, 16% of infants had vaccine-associated cardiorespiratory events within 48 hours postimmunization. In logistic regression analysis, abnormal CRP values were associated with multiple vaccines (OR, 15.77; 95% CI 5.10-48.77) and severe intraventricular hemorrhage (IVH) (OR, 2.28; 95% CI 1.02-5.13). Cardiorespiratory events were associated marginally with receipt of multiple injections (OR, 3.62; 95% CI 0.99-13.25) and significantly with gastroesophageal reflux (GER) (OR, 4.76; 95% CI 1.22-18.52).
CONCLUSION:

CRP level is expected to be elevated in the 48 hours following immunization. In a minority of infants immunized, cardiorespiratory events were associated with presumed need for intervention. Underlying medical conditions and possibly multiple injections are associated with cardiorespiratory events. Precautionary monitoring following immunizations is warranted.

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Old 12-21-2013, 08:10 PM
 
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Your conclusion?
 
Old 12-22-2013, 04:19 AM
 
Location: Montreal, Quebec
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Understand that 60% figure is new and has been massaged to be persuasive. It's been debunked and the real figure is 1.5% Shock vaccine study reveals influenza vaccines only prevent the flu in 1.5 out of 100 adults (not 60% as you've been told) Also, it's important to understand how much money Big Pharma and the politicians stand to make in this deal, as well as understanding that Big pharma spends more on marketing (which includes propaganda and paying fr8iejndly scientists for friendly research) than they do on R/D. It's all a racket.
Seriously? You're quoting Natural News?
RITFLMAO!!

NaturalNews.com (formerly Newstarget) is an anti-science conspiracy website founded by Mike "the Health Ranger" Adams. The site promotes almost every sort of medical woo known to human history, though it specializes in vaccine denialism, AIDS/HIV denial, quack cancer medicine and conspiracy theories about modern medicine. Even other quacks think it's a quack site. The site has recently broadened to include extreme environmentalism and conspiracy theorizing about Obama and gun control.
If you cite NaturalNews on any matter whatsoever, you are almost certainly wrong.


NaturalNews - RationalWiki
 
Old 12-22-2013, 06:30 AM
 
Location: Vermont
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Many people are of the mistaken belief that they are 100% protected against "the flu" regardless of strain.
Do you have any evidence to support this claim? I don't think I know anyone who has this mistaken belief.
 
Old 12-22-2013, 07:36 AM
 
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Your conclusion?
Since nothing came of this 6, almost 7 year old research, perhaps it couldn't be replicated.
 
Old 12-22-2013, 07:37 AM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Originally Posted by HappyTexan View Post
The flu shot is not 100% guaranteed to protect you.
It's more near 60% and one never knows if what's in the shot is the flu that strikes that season.

Many people are of the mistaken belief that they are 100% protected against "the flu" regardless of strain.
The biggest mistaken belief I see, as a health professional, is that people confuse gastroenteritis with flu. They get a flu shot, and still get the former, then claim the vaccine didn't work.
 
Old 12-22-2013, 07:42 AM
 
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That still does not negate the fact that overall vaccines are effective 60% of the time.

I think it's a horrible mandate, especially considering the vaccines are, for the most part, not effective on the newest strand going around.

But hey, I don't live in New York and I never would. Too much government intrusion. And NYC is an up in coming police state.
 
Old 12-22-2013, 07:48 AM
 
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That still does not negate the fact that overall vaccines are effective 60% of the time.

I think it's a horrible mandate, especially considering the vaccines are, for the most part, not effective on the newest strand going around.

But hey, I don't live in New York and I never would. Too much government intrusion. And NYC is an up in coming police state.
Please post documentation. The flu season is just getting underway. I have seen no stats for this season yet. You are referring to last year's vaccine.
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