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Old 12-28-2013, 01:32 PM
 
Location: Houston
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Oh yes, blame the victims rather than the culprits ... how original!

Now, you run along now .... go see if you can find some American made products for us patriots to buy .... a pair of levis, or a can opener for starters. Get back to us with your shopping results.
The victims? That is funny. Sorry, if you find those who believe the free market should extend beyond national boundaries have a victim mentality. I would argue it is the protectionist loons who are anti-freedom.
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Old 12-28-2013, 01:33 PM
 
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Once again, it ain't the capitalists buying all them cheap Chinese goods. Before the Chinese it was cheap Japanese goods.

I suggest Americans manufacture goods at a price that Americans will buy. Problem solved.

Had to keep this short. Need to head to the Dollar Store.
That would mean relaxing our safety, environmental and welfare standards. Is that O.K.with you?
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Old 12-28-2013, 01:35 PM
 
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Once again, it ain't the capitalists buying all them cheap Chinese goods. Before the Chinese it was cheap Japanese goods.

I suggest Americans manufacture goods at a price that Americans will buy. Problem solved.

Had to keep this short. Need to head to the Dollar Store.
So let me see if I have this right.

It is not the ones setting policies in our government and those in bed with that are to blame but the ones buying what is put before them.

It is strange logic because other's tell me that those that set policies like CEO's in a company are what drives the companies and deserve the lions share of wealth from it, but those setting policies at the government level are not be held accountable or responsible for the condition this country is in?
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Old 12-28-2013, 01:38 PM
 
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The victims? That is funny. Sorry, if you find those who believe the free market should extend beyond national boundaries have a victim mentality. I would argue it is the protectionist loons who are anti-freedom.
A Free Market would entail every company is responsible and accountable for themselves which is far from the case in this country where more and more money is spent every year to out do each other so they get the Gov contracts or policies favoring their industry.

A GLOBAL Free Market would also not have a military like ours going around the globe defending Banking and Business interests for the elite at the top when they are supposed to be a defensive military for our nation and not the world.
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Old 12-28-2013, 01:40 PM
 
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the only change is trickle down I US is that government is more and more the middleman to mnay.it all comes fron GDP prodeuced.government will always be the bottom.But like middle class its more the world economy but still middle class worldwide had grown. Its really the success of capitalism worldwide and markets system.The government dependent actually here benefit because of cheaper goods altho some depend on price fixing in a close non-compettiive market have loss.
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Old 12-28-2013, 02:08 PM
 
Location: Houston
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That would mean relaxing our safety, environmental and welfare standards. Is that O.K.with you?
Which of those standards do the goods I buy at the Dollar Store violate? Do the feds know about this?
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Old 12-28-2013, 02:09 PM
 
Location: Houston
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A Free Market would entail every company is responsible and accountable for themselves which is far from the case in this country where more and more money is spent every year to out do each other so they get the Gov contracts or policies favoring their industry.

A GLOBAL Free Market would also not have a military like ours going around the globe defending Banking and Business interests for the elite at the top when they are supposed to be a defensive military for our nation and not the world.
Agreed. Liberalized trade agreements are simply a step in the right direction.
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Old 12-28-2013, 02:09 PM
 
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The victims? That is funny. Sorry, if you find those who believe the free market should extend beyond national boundaries have a victim mentality. I would argue it is the protectionist loons who are anti-freedom.
Well, before we go gettin' into all of that extending beyond national borders talk, we need to first secure free markets within our own borders first, and that would first require that we wrest the control of our currency away from the international gangsters who now control it, making any talk of free markets the words of a fool.

You cannot have free markets when the lifeblood of those markets ... capital isn't free. When a monopoly controls money ... both in terms of cost and availabilty, you are guaranteed only one outcome ... and it will always be to the benefit of the men that hold that monopoly on the money supply.

Now, if you buy into this braindead tripe of "protectionism", you're beyond help. What we have is a fixed poker game which has the Federal Reserve serving as the dealer who's rules allow him to stack the deck any way he finda most advantageous. That would be bad enough if this were Vegas, and wise players could get up and leave the table ... but the rules of this game don't allow that ... you have to stay in, until you are wiped out, because it's the only game in town.

In light of that, only the dealer, or an embicile would say "shut up and quit trying to protect yourself".
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Old 12-28-2013, 02:22 PM
 
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Which of those standards do the goods I buy at the Dollar Store violate? Do the feds know about this?
China does not have the same standards we have.

Chinese city choking under dense smog | The Columbus Dispatch

SHANGHAI — Shanghai warned children and the elderly to stay indoors yesterday as smog enveloped China’s commercial hub. Levels of the worst pollutants surged to more than 15 times World Health Organization guidelines.

Yes, the Feds know about this.
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Old 12-28-2013, 02:36 PM
 
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Agreed. Liberalized trade agreements are simply a step in the right direction.
Liberals ... actually you're not liberals at all ... Thomas Jefferson was a liberal. I'm not sure what YOU are ... but what this system is, is the worst of two worlds, where we have fixed and privatized profits, and socialized risk and loss. Unchecked greed on one hand, and no risk on the other ... hardly what anyone could call free market.

Liberlized trade agreements indeed .... you nuts can't even learn from your own disasters ... you drill a hole in your own boat, and it sinks in a couple of hours. Give you a brand new boat, and you think drilling a bigger hole this time will offer a better outcome. Stupid doesn't even begin to describe this type of thinking, and I'm not sure the english language has an adequate word for it.

Every single trade agreement implemented over the last two decades has produced the exact results it's opponents warned about ... your solution is that we need more of them, only more "liberalized" versions?

I suppose this would include a wage war rather than tariffs. And if lazy Americans don't want to work 12 hour shifts for $1.50 per day, those chinese workers won fair & square, huh?

This is why liberals cannot be allowed to have any input in any policy that affects others, and should be left to commit suicide alone.
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