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Old 01-22-2014, 08:36 AM
 
Location: MS
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good point. He should not be touching a gun with his level of knowledge.

Again I believe this is a 'Gauss gun' not a 'ghost gun.' It's basically a toy. From google it sounds like they have about 3 ft/lbs of muzzle energy. By contrast a typical 9mm is in the area of 400 ft/lbs. And many people consider the 9mm to be underpowered. I would not want to get shot by one, but if you did it is not going to kill you. From what I read they are not a firearm under federal law nor illegal.

You would not use something like this for either self defense or for criminal purposes. You'd be 100 times better off with a .22 pistol, or even a pocketknife.
I had never heard the term "ghost gun" either but it definitely isn't a toy like you describe. He is doing a poor job in explaining that people can build their own fully functioning guns without going through a background check. What he doesn't understand is that it is against federal law to build your own gun if you know that you can't pass a NICS background check in the first place. What his law will do is stop law abiding citizens from building their own guns.

He holds up an AR-15 forging. It's just a solid block of aluminum pressed into the shape of a lower receiver. It takes skill and a milling machine to make one into a working receiver. There are also 80% lowers. The name describes it perfectly. Those are receivers that have had 80% of the milling done by someone else. 80% is the cut-off point where it is still a piece of metal and not a gun.

There are very strict ATF regulations on that. To make it into a gun one must carve out the fire control pocket. That's where the drill press and **** come into play. You still must do finishing work and it usually requires more than just a drill press. Some put a milling bit into the press for that but it isn't the best option on cheap drill presses.

He mentions serial numbers and tracking. Some people do serialize their DIY lowers but most don't. By federal law it is not required. It is only required to sell a gun. DIY guns are not allowed to be sold. In fact, the owner must be the one doing the actual work. Most guys will take pictures and video of themselves doing the work in case the ATF ever questions them.

He wants to ban 0% and 80% forgings. That doesn't surprise me. What about rectangular blocks of aluminum? Will those be banned as well? 15 seconds into the video below, you see what this guy starts with. It bears no resemblance to a gun.


CNC Milling an AR-15 lower from scratch. - YouTube
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Old 01-22-2014, 09:09 AM
 
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I can't take gun control nuts seriously if they don't know squat about the weapons they're talking about. Just shut up. You guys don't care.
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Old 01-22-2014, 09:23 AM
 
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Not being familiar with firearms = a fool?
dont you think it would be wise to learn something about the subject you want to regulate before you step up in public and start talking? thats the problem with far too many people these days, they want to sound like experts, but actually know nothing on the subject on which they speak.

if you want to talk about something, any subject but in this case firearms, you dont have to know everything about them, but you should learn some of the terminology, and the proper use of that terminology, and you should know at least how the thing works as well. its also a good thing if one has some experience with the item in question. perhaps going to the range and shooting the weapon for instance.
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Old 01-22-2014, 09:36 AM
 
Location: Charlotte, NC
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This is a great definition of a fool. You've got a person who has the ability to introduce bills for consideration, many of which are never read, and voted on based solely on the name of the bill. This guy is totally uneducated about the subject matter. It would be like letting the sheetmetal workers union rewrite Obamacare.

Further, it is completely dishonest for a politician to knowingly misrepresent something in order to make it look like he's "doing something", especially when you've got people that now believe everything he said in that video clip. If you want to discuss an issue, be armed with the actual facts and not some made up junk.

And people wonder why the government is not to be trusted anymore.
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Old 01-22-2014, 09:38 AM
 
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The thing is, the sheeple don't care about the details. They just let themselves get all worked up into a frenzy by people like this. Facts being correct or not, the scare tactic does work.
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Old 01-22-2014, 09:40 AM
 
Location: Central Texas
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So the guy is ignorant about firearms, big deal, he's not a firearms instructor.
An lawmaker writing or passing new laws should be well informed about the legislation they are working on, shouldn't they?

If they were working on air pollution laws, wouldn't you want them to know about air pollution? If they were trying to fix unfunded pensions, shouldn't they understand investment returns and actuarial concepts?

If he going to be in front of a camera and media, he should be accurate and truthful. At best, he is misinforming his audience. At worst he will craft awful legislation.
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Old 01-22-2014, 09:46 AM
 
Location: Pa
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So the guy is ignorant about firearms, big deal, he's not a firearms instructor.
That same mind set led to the ACA. LOL So far not a success story.
It is a big deal because he is attempting to create policy on a topic he knows nothing about. It is as foolish as me attempting to give a lecture on brain surgery when I have never spent a minute of my life learning about the topic. This idiot should have taken the time to learn about what he was to speak of. It isn't brain surgery and a 30 minute investment of time would have saved him from becoming the fool.
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Old 01-22-2014, 09:50 AM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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If he going to be in front of a camera and media, he should be accurate and truthful. At best, he is misinforming his audience. At worst he will craft awful legislation.
Or, in this case, illegal legislation.
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Old 01-22-2014, 09:56 AM
 
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An lawmaker writing or passing new laws should be well informed about the legislation they are working on, shouldn't they?

If they were working on air pollution laws, wouldn't you want them to know about air pollution? If they were trying to fix unfunded pensions, shouldn't they understand investment returns and actuarial concepts?

If he going to be in front of a camera and media, he should be accurate and truthful. At best, he is misinforming his audience. At worst he will craft awful legislation.
Right? It would be like someone legislating on Women's rights and health when they don't even know where babies come from.
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Old 01-22-2014, 09:56 AM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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Anti-Gun Senator Makes a Fool of Himself - A 30 Magazine Clip!


People who think making more laws will affect the behavior of people who don't obey laws, are stupid by definition, aren't they?

So it's hardly a surprise when they prove it.
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