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Old 02-07-2014, 07:51 AM
 
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Not in regards to GMO crops.
Artificially altered genetic material, resulting in life forms that would not otherwise exist.
Show me specifically where it claims in ID that genetically altered material is equivalent.

Your interpretation of a single sentence holds no more weight than someone quoting Leviticus.

 
Old 02-07-2014, 07:54 AM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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No, that's a natural process unless one artificially alters the resultant offspring's genetic material. Artificially altering genetic material to produce crops that have otherwise non-naturally occurring attributes is, in fact, ID.
No it is not...I would think that a theist such as yourself would understand ID, and by the way your statement that ID does not mention that the designer is god is in error...

Intelligent design wedge document
Governing Goals

To defeat scientific materialism and its destructive moral, cultural and political legacies.
To replace materialistic explanations with the theistic understanding that nature and human beings are created by God. The Wedge Document | NCSE
 
Old 02-07-2014, 07:56 AM
 
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So without the existence of genetically modified food, would you believe this claim?
No, as there would have been insufficient proof, IMO.

As there is now proof of ID in life forms, and ID does not assert that there is/was any specific designer, it can't be ruled out that other changes in life forms were not the result of artificial genetic alteration. Remember that there are gaps in the fossil record. There is not a complete evolutionary mapping from the origins of life to present day.
 
Old 02-07-2014, 08:00 AM
 
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No, as there would have been insufficient proof, IMO.

As there is now proof of ID in life forms, and ID does not assert that there is/was any specific designer, it can't be ruled out that other changes in life forms were not the result of artificial genetic alteration. Remember that there are gaps in the fossil record. There is not a complete evolutionary mapping from the origins of life to present day.
So that one interpretation of that one point is enough for you to dismiss the thousands of factual points, beyond the need for interpretation, from virtually every respected scientist on Earth?

Why should I even respect your opinion when you have such a dilluted critical thought process?
 
Old 02-07-2014, 08:05 AM
 
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Science is about physics and the material universe. In time mankind will discover another type of physics that is not material. As for creation - or the God factor....this is a thing we do not understand being temporal material beings. That God has the power to be powerless as we know it...and all powerful as we know it. It or he has the ability to exist yet not exist...THIS is the core concept that befuddles scientists and religious philosophers.
 
Old 02-07-2014, 08:06 AM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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No, as there would have been insufficient proof, IMO.

As there is now proof of ID in life forms, and ID does not assert that there is/was any specific designer, it can't be ruled out that other changes in life forms were not the result of artificial genetic alteration. Remember that there are gaps in the fossil record. There is not a complete evolutionary mapping from the origins of life to present day.
ID asserts that GOD is the designer...Read ID's wedge document that I provided a link to.
 
Old 02-07-2014, 08:08 AM
 
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Science is about physics and the material universe. In time mankind will discover another type of physics that is not material. As for creation - or the God factor....this is a thing we do not understand being temporal material beings. That God has the power to be powerless as we know it...and all powerful as we know it. It or he has the ability to exist yet not exist...THIS is the core concept that befuddles scientists and religious philosophers.
Time to let the god myths go, my friend...She doesn't exist.
 
Old 02-07-2014, 08:11 AM
 
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Time to let the god myths go, my friend...She doesn't exist.
Seriously.
 
Old 02-07-2014, 08:16 AM
 
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So that one interpretation of that one point is enough for you to dismiss the thousands of factual points, beyond the need for interpretation, from virtually every respected scientist on Earth?
I've dismissed nothing. I've always said the Theory of Evolution and ID coexist. There's evidence, though not complete, of both.

You're forgetting that ID isn't Creationism.
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Why should I even respect your opinion when you have such a dilluted critical thought process?
Actually, that should be directed at you. You're ignoring the facts that ID neither claims that the universe and all living things were created, nor names any specific designer. Likewise, regarding the Theory of Evolution, the fossil record is incomplete and the gaps have been filled in with guesses and assumptions.
 
Old 02-07-2014, 08:25 AM
 
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There's no reason to believe ID other than your semantical interpretation of what GMO is. ID is about God, and your theory falls apart on so many levels. Human ability to alter genes doesn't suddenly change the laws of the universe.

There are holes in every theory, doesn't mean you add more madeup theories to fill the gap. Elephants are crazy smart for no reason, right? Should probably believe in Hinduism because evolution can't explain that well enough. How can we really be sure the sun isn't a god? After all, without it, we wouldn't have life so technically it DID create us.

Therefore go ahead and pray to the Egyptian sun god Ra everyday. And probably start building a limestone temple because he digs that sort of thing.
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