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Old 02-19-2014, 08:51 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Amazing. The dishonesty you exhibit...

Is stunning.

The immediate, proven massive hikes in insurance rates ARE NOT UP FOR DEBATE, they are real and factual.

And you're talking about rates from 15 and 5 years ago, as proof that what just happened... didn't happen.

I'm sorry, nobody here is stupid enough to believe you. Nobody.
Sorry you are just grasping at straws now, that chart shows that any increase in healthcare costs is in line with healthcare insurance increases for more than a decade. Yet that is somehow Obama's fault in the twisted minds of the far right wingers.

Also, no one here is stupid enough to believe your BS claim you made in your OP.
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Old 02-19-2014, 08:52 PM
 
Location: Montreal, Quebec
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Originally Posted by pnwmdk View Post
Amazing. The dishonesty you exhibit...

Is stunning.

The immediate, proven massive hikes in insurance rates ARE NOT UP FOR DEBATE, they are real and factual.

And you're talking about rates from 15 and 5 years ago, as proof that what just happened... didn't happen.

I'm sorry, nobody here is stupid enough to believe you. Nobody.
^^This. This is what's amazing.^^^
The pathological and wilful blindness.
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Old 02-19-2014, 08:57 PM
 
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Sorry you are just grasping at straws now, that chart shows that any increase in healthcare costs is in line with healthcare insurance increases for more than a decade. Yet that is somehow Obama's fault in the twisted minds of the far right wingers.

Also, no one here is stupid enough to believe your BS claim you made in your OP.
There are ample threads right here on this forum where just about every liberal has said exactly those claims.

You're in the process of proving the latter, and I'm sure have stated the former.
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Old 02-19-2014, 08:57 PM
 
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Just be thankful for them. Imagine a world without laughs.
That is truly sad if the only thing you have to laugh at are people who don't share your political views. What a pathetic thread.
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Old 02-19-2014, 08:58 PM
 
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^^This. This is what's amazing.^^^
The pathological and wilful blindness.
Never forget that liberal's first argument is ALWAYS that anyone who doesn't speak the approved lines is a bad person.

You never fail at it, either.
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Old 02-19-2014, 08:59 PM
 
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So, rates for Obamacare policies for about 10% of the population have been published - from them we can determine what the risk pools look like to the insurance industry and thus, what rates (and deductibles, etc) will have to do, in terms of overall revenue, in order to pay claims.

And you provide me with articles talking about how trends far older than the reality of today.... and make the claim it proves that I'm wrong about the present, which just arrived.

You just can't seem to even lie convincingly. Perhaps it's simply because there's no plausible way anything you're saying is true.
The articles I linked to were written in 2013 or January 2014. The oldest article I linked to was published in July 2013
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Old 02-19-2014, 09:01 PM
 
Location: Limbo
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Never forget that liberal's first argument is ALWAYS that anyone who doesn't speak the approved lines is a bad person.

You never fail at it, either.
It seems your first argument is to throw out generalizations and opinions.

C'mon, give us the facts. You can prove the muck you're slinging, right?!
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Old 02-19-2014, 09:01 PM
 
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Sorry you are just grasping at straws now, that chart shows that any increase in healthcare costs is in line with healthcare insurance increases for more than a decade. Yet that is somehow Obama's fault in the twisted minds of the far right wingers.
please compare apples and apples.

Compare health insurance policy rates.

They have gone up slightly more than inflation.

And, Obamacare's raising them DRAMATICALLY, by well into double digits in ONE year, and will be even more the next 2 years. And then the industry collapses with the rest of the economy.

The least productive (benefit per dollar) segments of the economy are entertainment and health care.

And the government is trying to move several additional percent of the economy into health care. It will be away from production of wealth, which WILL cause accelerated collapse.
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Old 02-19-2014, 09:03 PM
 
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It seems your first argument is to throw out generalizations and opinions.

C'mon, give us the facts. You can prove the muck you're slinging, right?!

I don't have to, they already have.
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Old 02-19-2014, 09:05 PM
 
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The articles I linked to were written in 2013 or January 2014. The oldest article I linked to was published in July 2013
So?

Each is compilation of pre-obamacare industry spending.

The subject is " health insurance policy rates".

It's like arguing that the price of gas has not gone up because cars last longer.

If you could generate an argument that was even on topic it would give you some plausibility.
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