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Old 03-02-2014, 07:34 AM
 
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On 9/11 he proved otherwise.
Uh . . . who proved otherwise?

 
Old 03-02-2014, 07:49 AM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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Uh . . . who proved otherwise?
Only one person was even mentioned.
 
Old 03-02-2014, 07:49 AM
 
Location: midwest
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Engineering schools do not waste their time slaying again the already slain. There is no unsolved problem here necessitating their attention.
They just waste people's time making the simple complicated because they make more money on "education" that way.

Newtonian physics is more than 300 years old and they can't make a physical model of what everyone is supposed to BELIEVE. Of course that might PROVE to be a problem for the Propagandists if it could not be done.

After TWELVE YEARS the issue is not Conspiracy Theories or Physics but the trustworthiness of the people in the schools who supposedly teach physics physics. Huge social problem.

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Old 03-02-2014, 08:02 AM
 
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Only one person was even mentioned.
One person that they have absolutely no evidence against. But yet knew hours after, it was him! You sir, drank the kool aid.
 
Old 03-02-2014, 08:07 AM
 
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1) Look up the word "governance." It does not mean what you think it means.

2) Nothing about the historic behavior of governments is relevant to the events 9/11, since it was not conducted by a government either domestic or foreign. It was a terrorist attack by non-state actors.

3) Specifically the government of the United States had no need for additional entrenching. It was at no existential risk whatsoever at any point between April 9, 1865 and September 11, 2001... or since for that matter.

4) Not a single truther argument can withstand competent, critical scrutiny. As in the examples provided by this thread they are based on an understanding of natural phenomena that is at best primitive and pre-scientific. Many of their theories segue into the palpably insane. Most are simply objectively false.

The intensity of the paranoia in which you embed yourself has fundamentally crippled your ability to parse reality from fantasy. Life must therefore be very unpleasant for you, so I can't bring myself to hold it against you personally. Truthers may be at their core frightened, irrational, incoherent people, but at least they are not as a rule the despicable human beings that birthers are.
If the United Stated federal government needs no further entrenching...then why are there hu.dreds of examples of overreach going back to the states infancy?

We aren't talking about risk. I don't know where you conjured up the idea that a state needs to be at risk, at all, to entrench itself.

If anybody is frightened, it's debunkers that fear any rational requests for further explanation based on anomalies galore. They seem to be wrought with fear of the idea that an establishment that emerged out of their own best interests could turn against them.

And you only have hundreds of historical examples of that to draw reference from. But I expect it to zing off of you. Again.
 
Old 03-02-2014, 08:08 AM
 
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One person that they have absolutely no evidence against. But yet knew hours after, it was him! You sir, drank the kool aid.
Osama was one of America's top Dudes.
 
Old 03-02-2014, 08:10 AM
 
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If the United Stated federal government needs no further entrenching...then why are there hu.dreds of examples of overreach going back to the states infancy?
Hundreds of different reasons. Some stupid, some not. Some outrageously corrupt, some not. Some having to do with "entrenching" (specifically those associated with the Civil War) and some not. All of them red herring as regarding this thread.
 
Old 03-02-2014, 08:14 AM
 
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Hundreds of different reasons. Some stupid, some not. Some outrageously corrupt, some not. Some having to do with "entrenching" (specifically those associated with the Civil War) and some not. All of them red herring as regarding this thread.
False flags are federal overreach.

No red herring.

Unless it was specifically the CIA's work. Then you're right.
 
Old 03-02-2014, 08:17 AM
 
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False flags are federal overreach.
Only when their origin is the Federal government. And none are ultimately relevant to what happened on 9/11. It wasn't a false flag.

I note that you've abandoned even trying to defend the "physics" argument. Perhaps you should start a different thread where you can whine about false flags... both real and imaginary.
 
Old 03-02-2014, 08:29 AM
 
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Only when their origin is the Federal government. And none are ultimately relevant to what happened on 9/11. It wasn't a false flag.

I note that you've abandoned even trying to defend the "physics" argument. Perhaps you should start a different thread where you can whine about false flags... both real and imaginary.
Your model is garbage. NIST won't release a comprehensive model of the collapse and their excuse is "because it can jeopardize public safety"...So by that logic, who cares, right? The math is there for all to see ANYWAY!!

So either you or NIST is full of crap. But that's a false dilemma and not one that works in your favor.
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