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What is more important? The EXTREME cautiousness of NIST for "the publics safety" or assuring many of our citizens that there was absolutely no complicity on the end of our own government?
If they were that worried about our safety, they wouldn't be antagonizing the middle eats and slapping down sanctions left and right strangling their channels of trade. Believe it or not, that really pisses them off.
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Close enough. Certainly enough to settle the issue for anybody who understands the tiniest bit of physics and engineering.
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I'm sure there are too. Why would you wish to help them?
How on earth would a simulation of the WTC7 collapse help terrorists?
What is more important? The EXTREME cautiousness of NIST for "the publics safety" or assuring many of our citizens that there was absolutely no complicity on the end of our own government?
You offer here a Hobson's choice. Those of our citizens who suspect complicity on the end of our own government have already proved that they are impervious to evidence and reason.
Only the first option is capable of a useful result. So only the first option is even on the table.
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If they were that worried about our safety, they wouldn't be antagonizing the middle eats and slapping down sanctions left and right strangling their channels of trade. Believe it or not, that really pisses them off.
NIST is not the State Department.
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How on earth would a simulation of the WTC7 collapse help terrorists?
The same way a recipe for ricin helps a person who otherwise would not know how to make ricin.
I am speaking about the powers that be....surely, NIST doesn't have autonomy in releasing that simulation.
And you can leap anywhere you want, pose any non sequitur you choose, and chase all the red herring you desire. I decline to chase them with you. Yes... NIST has a vast amount of autonomy in releasing that simulation. And they have made their choice clear.
NIST is not the State Department. Different jobs. Different roles. Different responsibilities. Different spheres of concern. "The powers that be" is a meaningless ambiguity. You may as well go full throttle nutburger and start naming the Illuminati or the Bilderburgers,
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That's a silly analogy. It's like comparing a brownie recipe to how to slaughter and butches a cow.
That you don't understand he analogy doesn't render it silly. It merely shows that even simple analogies are over your head.
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Are we now moving away from this logic?
Nope.
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Because how would a building like WTC 7's collapse help any terrorist collapse a
different building
with a different design
under different circumstances
exhibiting different behaviors???
See? Again you demonstrate that you have no idea what NIST is withholding and what NIST has released. It is always kind of fun to drill down to that moment when your opponent demonstrates that they are merely parrots, repeating words and phrases and arguments that they don't even understand. Why do you even try to argue about this stuff when you haven't even the most elementary clue regarding what is being discussed?
The computer code that NIST has withheld is not specific to the unique design of WTC7. It is instead a comprehensive catalog of tools and subroutines for break elements to include source code, reusable ANSYS modules, script files, custom executables, floor connection failure modes and capacities.
This is what is being withheld. Not the plans of the building (which were released), but the set of tools that applied to any plans can identify the greatest vulnerabilities of any specific structure of any design.
And you can leap anywhere you want, pose any non sequitur you choose, and chase all the red herring you desire. I decline to chase them with you. Yes... NIST has a vast amount of autonomy in releasing that simulation. And they have made their choice clear.
NIST is not the State Department. Different jobs. Different roles. Different responsibilities. Different spheres of concern. "The powers that be" is a meaningless ambiguity. You may as well go full throttle nutburger and start naming the Illuminati or the Bilderburgers,
That you don't understand he analogy doesn't render it silly. It merely shows that even simple analogies are over your head.
Nope.
See? Again you demonstrate that you have no idea what NIST is withholding and what NIST has released. It is always kind of fun to drill down to that moment when your opponent demonstrates that they are merely parrots, repeating words and phrases and arguments that they don't even understand. Why do you even try to argue about this stuff when you haven't even the most elementary clue regarding what is being discussed?
The computer code that NIST has withheld is not specific to the unique design of WTC7. It is instead a comprehensive catalog of tools and subroutines for break elements to include source code, reusable ANSYS modules, script files, custom executables, floor connection failure modes and capacities.
This is what is being withheld. Not the plans of the building (which were released), but the set of tools that applied to any plans can identify the greatest vulnerabilities of any specific structure of any design.
Seriously. How can you not know this?
No, your analogy was just stupid.
As for the sim,
NIST omitted very important specifics about floor connection failure when they hypothesized the sagging infrastructure. So maybe that's it? Maybe they can't release the sim? Because they still haven't accounted for the web stiffeners they omitted in their analysis of the girder that was supposedly pushed of it's seat?
Not to mention the lateral supporting beams for multiples beams which they have omitted.
"If Bill Clinton said it, we have good reason to be suspicious. We still don't know exactly what was going on in Mena, for Heaven's sake! The key event in 9/11 was the obvious controlled demolition of WTC-7. That and that alone should settle the question that the "official" 9/11 story is bunkum, through and through. What the truth of the matter is, only a real investigation can determine. But the people behind the cover-up should realize that thousands of innocent individuals were murdered on 9/11; that there is NO statute of limitations on murder (and certainly not on mass-murder); and that whoever aids and abets the actual murderers by covering up the crime after the fact is equally guilty. So the perpetrators of this crime and their henchmen are playing with nano-thermite, as it were. If a real American patriot ever should become President, with control of the investigatory apparatus of the government in Washington, and as Commander in Chief of the Militia in every State, they are finished. - Edwin Vieira, Jr.
"If Bill Clinton said it, we have good reason to be suspicious. We still don't know exactly what was going on in Mena, for Heaven's sake! The key event in 9/11 was the obvious controlled demolition of WTC-7. That and that alone should settle the question that the "official" 9/11 story is bunkum, through and through. What the truth of the matter is, only a real investigation can determine. But the people behind the cover-up should realize that thousands of innocent individuals were murdered on 9/11; that there is NO statute of limitations on murder (and certainly not on mass-murder); and that whoever aids and abets the actual murderers by covering up the crime after the fact is equally guilty. So the perpetrators of this crime and their henchmen are playing with nano-thermite, as it were. If a real American patriot ever should become President, with control of the investigatory apparatus of the government in Washington, and as Commander in Chief of the Militia in every State, they are finished. - Edwin Vieira, Jr.
"If Bill Clinton said it, we have good reason to be suspicious. We still don't know exactly what was going on in Mena, for Heaven's sake! The key event in 9/11 was the obvious controlled demolition of WTC-7. That and that alone should settle the question that the "official" 9/11 story is bunkum, through and through. What the truth of the matter is, only a real investigation can determine. But the people behind the cover-up should realize that thousands of innocent individuals were murdered on 9/11; that there is NO statute of limitations on murder (and certainly not on mass-murder); and that whoever aids and abets the actual murderers by covering up the crime after the fact is equally guilty. So the perpetrators of this crime and their henchmen are playing with nano-thermite, as it were. If a real American patriot ever should become President, with control of the investigatory apparatus of the government in Washington, and as Commander in Chief of the Militia in every State, they are finished. - Edwin Vieira, Jr.
There is neither any proof or (credible) evidence of an "obvious controlled demolition of WTC-7." The is also no (credible) evidence of a cover-up.
Don't believe the wacko conspiracy theories.
Well, I don't want to be a "wacko", but I certainly cannot believe the Government's story.
I'm not one of those people who can simply reverse IQ on demand.
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