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Old 02-27-2014, 04:55 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Jews to become a minority in Israel?

Some predict that in the next decade there will be more Arabs than Jews, interesting. Maybe then we will have peace, or not.

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One of the most common arguments in favor of the two-state solution to the
Israeli-Palestinian conflict is the so-called demographic threat or demographic time-bomb. Proponents worry that if Israel continues to control the Palestinian territories, with or without formal
annexation, the different birthrates of Jews and Arabs will eventually result in
Jews being a minority in the territory under Israeli control. At that point
Israel will no longer be a Jewish state — or, alternatively, will be a Jewish
state with a non-Jewish majority that is disenfranchised because of its ethnic
identity.
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Old 02-27-2014, 06:22 PM
 
Location: SoCal
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Well, Israel already left Gaza in 2005, so yeah.

That said, Yes, if Israel wants to remain a solidly Jewish-majority state, then it makes sense for Israel to support the creation of a Palestinian state (if the Palestinians are willing to completely renounce terrorism, et cetera, that is).
 
Old 02-27-2014, 06:49 PM
 
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Default Renounce Terrorism?

Where in the world have Muslims renounced terrorism? Not in Indonesia, Sudan, India, and certainly not the Middle East. We're so blinded by political correctness that we cannot acknowledge even the most obvious, and fair, of general truths. . . Most Muslims cannot live peacefully with non- Muslim neighbors. Poll after poll indicates that the overwhelming majority of Israelis want peace with their neighbors. Yet poll after poll indicates that the overwhelming majority of Palestinians do NOT want peace with Israel. Golda Meier said that "we will have peace when they love their children more than they hate us." Even Gandhi couldn't make peace with Muslims.
 
Old 02-27-2014, 07:32 PM
 
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Well, Israel already left Gaza in 2005, so yeah.

That said, Yes, if Israel wants to remain a solidly Jewish-majority state, then it makes sense for Israel to support the creation of a Palestinian state (if the Palestinians are willing to completely renounce terrorism, et cetera, that is).

Good point going to be interesting if they retain the status quo and have an Arab leader for Israel.
 
Old 02-27-2014, 08:07 PM
 
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Good point going to be interesting if they retain the status quo and have an Arab leader for Israel.
They will not retain the status quo in Israel. In fact, it is probably far more likely that Israel would unilaterally withdraw from 90+% of the West Bank if this and becoming an Arab-majority state were hypothetically the only two options available to Israel. Based on what I know, most Jewish Israelis (who comprise an overwhelming majority of the total voters in Israel) strongly want their country to remain a Jewish-majority state.
 
Old 02-27-2014, 08:17 PM
 
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They will not retain the status quo in Israel. In fact, it is probably far more likely that Israel would unilaterally withdraw from 90+% of the West Bank if this and becoming an Arab-majority state were hypothetically the only two options available to Israel. Based on what I know, most Jewish Israelis (who comprise an overwhelming majority of the total voters in Israel) strongly want their country to remain a Jewish-majority state.
Interesting dilemma, Israel to become a major proponent of a Palestinian State.
 
Old 02-27-2014, 08:29 PM
 
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Interesting dilemma, Israel to become a major proponent of a Palestinian State.
Most Israelis already support the creation of a Palestinian state. Heck, even Israel's current Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who was an opponent of Palestinian statehood for a very long time, is now a supporter of Palestinian statehood.
 
Old 02-27-2014, 08:37 PM
 
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The best thing for Israel to do is finish their wall around the West Bank, close the crossings from Israel into Gaza and the West Bank and give them to the UN to deal with (Neither Egypt or Jordan wants them). They complain so much about Israel holding them back in commerce, then fine once they are under the UN they can do as much commerce as they want with Arab countries. Enough with these games already.
 
Old 02-27-2014, 08:39 PM
 
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Where in the world have Muslims renounced terrorism? Not in Indonesia, Sudan, India, and certainly not the Middle East. We're so blinded by political correctness that we cannot acknowledge even the most obvious, and fair, of general truths. . . Most Muslims cannot live peacefully with non- Muslim neighbors. Poll after poll indicates that the overwhelming majority of Israelis want peace with their neighbors. Yet poll after poll indicates that the overwhelming majority of Palestinians do NOT want peace with Israel. Golda Meier said that "we will have peace when they love their children more than they hate us." Even Gandhi couldn't make peace with Muslims.
You're confusing Islamic extremists with Muslims. Its like me saying all Christians protest soldiers funerals.
 
Old 02-27-2014, 08:47 PM
 
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Israel pulled out of Gaza for good reason, namely there were a few thousand Jews there and 1.5 million Arabs. It was a pretty obvious decision for the survival of a Jewish state. The issue with the West Bank is that it is much much more complicated. One there are 2.5 million Arabs there, but there are also 350,000 Jews there and that number is growing rapidly. Once more the demographic map of the West Bank or Judea and Samaria as its Israeli residents call it looks like a Jackson Pollock painting. Then there is the historical issue, as in historically the ancient civilization of the Jews wasn't in Gaza, nor was it all that much up in Haifa or Tel-Aviv, it was in and around the West Bank in particular East Jerusalem. Meaning that the cultural importance to Jews is highly significant. As such dealing with the demographic issues won't be easy.
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