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Old 03-08-2014, 10:14 AM
 
Location: Central Texas
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Has the OP actuallly looked at the list of the top 20 countries by GDP? Some really stellar places to live on that list.

Saudi Arabia?
Russia?
Brazil?
India?
China?
Mexico?
Spain?

As imperfect as the US is, very few people, including the OP, would trade places with someone in those countries. Women are treated worse in almost every country in the top 20 list. Japan is one of the most insular cultures around. The birth rate is below replacement. Spain's unemployment rate is 25%. India has one third of the WORLD'S poor.

 
Old 03-08-2014, 10:15 AM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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Nah, Russia and Saudi Arabia are more right. We can be thankful that our craziest aren't nearly as bad as the craziest in Russia and Saudi Arabia. I would say that some of our craziest are on par with Russia's mainstream, and some of Saudi Arabia's. I mean hell, Fox News anchors have been applauding Putin this week. They would rather have him than Obama (so they say...).

I'm not as familiar with Indonesia and South Korea, but I think they're more right wing as well. SK has an authoritarian history, although I believe things are better than they were several years ago. Indonesia is a Muslim country, so I would assume they're more strict than we are here, but I also know that Indonesia is not as bad as some of the Middle Eastern countries.
and don't forget some of the laws in Singapore. Based on what issues we are referring to Poland isn't all the liberal either. What about Israel? Now, I didn't check the list of the 20 countries, but I just don't think some people realize how lucky we are to live here. Most of the European countries have problems we can't even imagine. They also pay taxes what would blow our minds and think about the freedoms we have, compared to many other countries. Yes, some of our policies might not be the best, but the good outweighs the bad.
 
Old 03-08-2014, 10:18 AM
 
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You can always leave the country if you dont like it OP.
 
Old 03-08-2014, 10:19 AM
 
Location: Flyover Country
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Blame the Party Hardliners for the stalemate. Hardliners would vote for a snake before voting against party. The irony is that both parties are one and the same beast. Obama is a figure head at best, a mouth piece and not a very good one at that.
The problem with socialism is that it still maintains what you describe, while forcing the masses to become even more dependent upon the state.
What made America one of the greatest nations on Earth? What made us so attractive to immigration? Was it our social policies or the opportunities to become more?
I myself feel that our greatness had very little to do with welfare, SS, or UE compensation. We have lost so much in the effort to build nations and force our style of Gov on others. We have lost much and lose more as the Fed becomes the nanny.
Why endeavor to be great if you are penalized for it? Why work when you are paid not to work? People will say oh if it's so great quit your job and do it. I say why not make them work for the money instead?
WE can drop billions into programs and end up worse than before. Examples include the Department of Education, The Department of Energy and the EPA. Quantity never equates to quality. Government offices have 1 great and overwhelming priority and that is to justify their own existence. Actual performance or measurable gains are not important.

Much of what you wrote is true and I'm in agreement, largely, with the exception of your three examples serving no purpose. While I understand (and I'm guessing you don't) why conservatives hate the EPA and call for it to be removed, I only know this agency should be strengthened, not weakened. We are killing this planet in search of profits, and when its dead, there is not another place you can move to where you can tout how great it is there. This is your one and only choice. There may be room for improvement in the others, but that's all a separate argument.

Income inequality in this country is getting really bad, and those at the very top are out of touch with reality in their sheltered existence.


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Old 03-08-2014, 10:26 AM
 
Location: Sunshine Coast, QLD
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You can always leave the country if you dont like it OP.
I did, and never looked back America sucks, no doubt about that!! Part of the reason it sucks so bad is the "love it or leave it crowd" Whatever happened to the common sense approach of trying to improve things for people. But then common sense and America don't really belong in the same sentence these days do they??
 
Old 03-08-2014, 10:31 AM
 
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Nice post. The bolded part is exactly the opposite of what the OP and other leftists here want. They want a population drug addicted to the government - federal, state, and local. They trust politicians more than themselves, their parents, or their children.
what is needed is not hand outs but empowerment by sealing the southern border and ending many of our trade pacts and putting in tariffs. The ones profitting off this arrangement do not want to do that though and want everyone else to pay for it.

They are globalist fascists that have no allegiance to any country but only to they and their cronies wallets.

ObamA is one of them as well despite the blind sheeple lapping up his class warfare rhetoric intended as misdirection.
 
Old 03-08-2014, 10:36 AM
 
Location: Florida
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and don't forget some of the laws in Singapore. Based on what issues we are referring to Poland isn't all the liberal either. What about Israel? Now, I didn't check the list of the 20 countries, but I just don't think some people realize how lucky we are to live here. Most of the European countries have problems we can't even imagine. They also pay taxes what would blow our minds and think about the freedoms we have, compared to many other countries. Yes, some of our policies might not be the best, but the good outweighs the bad.
And yet, out of the 10 happiest countries, 8 are in Europe and all 10 are happier than those in the US. We are no longer in the 50s.
 
Old 03-08-2014, 10:36 AM
 
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Most of the European countries have problems we can't even imagine. .
Please, enlighten us, what problems are you referring to?
 
Old 03-08-2014, 10:37 AM
 
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what is needed is not hand outs but empowerment by sealing the southern border and ending many of our trade pacts and putting in tariffs. The ones profitting off this arrangement do not want to do that though and want everyone else to pay for it.

They are globalist fascists that have no allegiance to any country but only to they and their cronies wallets.

ObamA is one of them as well despite the blind sheeple lapping up his class warfare rhetoric intended as misdirection.
 
Old 03-08-2014, 11:05 AM
 
Location: Chicago
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The country was founded on the idea of people taking responsibility for themselves, not waiting for a government handout because life is so unfair.
That's not as feasible in today's day, considering we are no longer an agrarian society. The ups and downs of the economy are far more devastating to the average person than they were 150 years ago. I'm all for personal responsibility, and definitely believe that you can move up the ladder in this country, but you're oversimplifying the situation if you think that anyone who is on government welfare has only themselves to blame.
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