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Old 09-01-2009, 10:18 PM
 
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Well, so many people have accused socialised nations to be a bad example for any good governance, and nothing but a drain on government resources.

Yet it is not capitalist nations that have emerged from the recession. Germany and France are now out of the recession.

France and Germany Climb Out of Recession - washingtonpost.com
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Old 09-01-2009, 10:26 PM
 
Location: Wiesbaden, Germany
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Though their recoveries were modest by virtually any standard and may yet stall in the months ahead
did you actually read the article? or at least the portion I quoted above? and this article was from August 14th.. welcome to September

I have a feeling the only people supporting socialism either do not understand a thing about it or are the extremely lazy people that don't want to work for a living and would much rather have others do everythng for them. I hope only the worst for both. Absolutely pathetic and ignorant people.
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Old 09-01-2009, 10:28 PM
 
Location: North Carolina
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Well, so many people have accused socialised nations to be a bad example for any good governance, and nothing but a drain on government resources.

Yet it is not capitalist nations that have emerged from the recession. Germany and France are now out of the recession.

France and Germany Climb Out of Recession - washingtonpost.com


Do you really believe that socialism led them out of a recession? They are mixed economies. I don't think there is actually a socialist country in the entire world. We all have mixed economies. We have had socialism in the United States for a very long time but people pretend we are pure capitalists. I'm not arguing for the right or the left. I'm just pointing out something that economists recognize as the truth.
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Old 09-01-2009, 10:34 PM
 
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did you actually read the article? or at least the portion I quoted above? and this article was from August 14th.. welcome to September

I have a feeling the only people supporting socialism either do not understand a thing about it or are the extremely lazy people that don't want to work for a living and would much rather have others do everythng for them. I hope only the worst for both. Absolutely pathetic and ignorant people.
I tried to rep you again, but I have to spread the wealth.
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Old 09-01-2009, 10:37 PM
 
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Even China adopted the market system to esdpand its dying commonist econmy long ago. They have now taken 45 milon people offf their garanteed income entitlement system as of a year ago and doing more all the time.Lookig at the econmies you could say that the uSA has been out of recession for some time as the free market part has recovered very well. The problem that is in trouble and started the probelm is the letting people that couldn't afford things get them anyway. Its much like the deficit spending we are doing now.Deficit eqauls debt for things you can't afford otherwise.When you figure that in europe the unemployemnt rate for thsoe under 30 averages 30% in noraml times. that most can't afford a home and live in governamnt housing ;you could say by our standards those people are in a permanent recession.
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Old 09-01-2009, 10:38 PM
 
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I'm sure he is being sarcastic, but you are correct mixed economics are the answer. But to the orginal poster, all european states have implemented "socialist systems" within there governments. Most commonly what these given states do, is establish social nets such as, Universal Health Care, Near- Free Education, ETC and then begin to establish more neoliberal policies. But yes, people are a little more comfortable in Europe in regards to the economy. As a matter of fact in the netherlands Unemployment, hovers around 3%!!!!
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Old 09-01-2009, 10:45 PM
 
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did you actually read the article? or at least the portion I quoted above? and this article was from August 14th.. welcome to September

I have a feeling the only people supporting socialism either do not understand a thing about it or are the extremely lazy people that don't want to work for a living and would much rather have others do everythng for them. I hope only the worst for both. Absolutely pathetic and ignorant people.
I'll agree that there are many who don't understand socialism. What I don't agree with is your claim about "lazy people." Anyone that thinks socialism has anything to do with being lazy, clearly doesn't understand socialism.
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Old 09-01-2009, 10:55 PM
 
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did you actually read the article? or at least the portion I quoted above? and this article was from August 14th.. welcome to September

I have a feeling the only people supporting socialism either do not understand a thing about it or are the extremely lazy people that don't want to work for a living and would much rather have others do everythng for them. I hope only the worst for both. Absolutely pathetic and ignorant people.

I spent half my life living in socio democratic countries and laugh my pants off at the medieval concepts americans have about socialism - the scariest word the rednecks in this country know. Could you people please enter this century when you use your suffocating thought mechanism to describe something you know nothing about?

Unemployment is not much worse in socialist nations than in this country. So if socialism makes everyone lazy, please explain why their unemployment rate is no worse than here? That unemployment and welfare is so huge in america, would it indicate that capitalism simply does not work? I don't think in narrow terms like you seem to do, so I don't think capitalism is the cause. The system just needs reshaping and a few features, imitating some of the socio democratic concepts (which go hand in hand with the constitution anyways; and the forefathers were European Christians!) to create a better overall system.

Of course the recession is adding more unemployed than usual, but these governments counteract this by creating more jobs, and creating training opportunities for people to gain skills for jobs that are available and fill a gap.

This country also has more crime, more poverty, more problems than any other nation in the world - even if you compact and compare the 500 million population of the entire Europe with the 307 million here.

Explain also why Europe as a whole - comprising of 27 smaller nations - have the strongest economy in the world? With 50 states, some of them being larger than an entire European country, you have managed to be in the poor house now with $10 trillion in debt. And since Nixon the hole has been consistenly dug into the red, only changing by Clintons presidency.

Your concept of socialism is so antiquated and laughable. You don't even know what you're really ranting about.

And what difference does it make it the article is two weeks old?? THIS COUNTRY IS STILL IN A DEEP RECESSION AND IT WILL GET WORSE!!! Get a clue.
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Old 09-01-2009, 10:58 PM
 
Location: Nashville
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I spent half my life living in socio democratic countries and laugh my pants off at the medieval concepts americans have about socialism - the scariest word the rednecks in this country know. Could you people please enter this century when you use your suffocating thought mechanism to describe something you know nothing about?

Unemployment is not much worse in socialist nations than in this country. So if socialism makes everyone lazy, please explain why their unemployment rate is no worse than here?

Of course the recession is adding more unemployed than usual, but these governments counteract this by creating more jobs, and creating training opportunities for people to gain skills for jobs that are available and fill a gap.

This country also has more crime, more poverty, more problems than any other nation in the world - even if you compact and compare the 500 million population of the entire Europe with the 307 million here.

Explain also why Europe as a whole - comprising of 27 smaller nations - have the strongest economy in the world? With 50 states, some of them being larger than an entire European country, you have managed to be in the poor house now with $10 trillion in debt. And since Nixon the hole has been consistenly dug into the red, only changing by Clintons presidency.

Your concept of socialism is so antiquated and laughable. You don't even know what you're really ranting about.

And what difference does it make it the article is two weeks old?? THIS COUNTRY IS STILL IN A DEEP RECESSION AND IT WILL GET WORSE!!! Get a clue.
Cheers to a dose of reality.
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Old 09-01-2009, 11:12 PM
 
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Do you really believe that socialism led them out of a recession? They are mixed economies. I don't think there is actually a socialist country in the entire world. We all have mixed economies. We have had socialism in the United States for a very long time but people pretend we are pure capitalists. I'm not arguing for the right or the left. I'm just pointing out something that economists recognize as the truth.

Of course socialism has, because socialism is not politics - its an economic system that distributes taxed government funds back to the people and projects intended for overall growth to support the people.

Its not a "give me what you have - and p*ss off" system.
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