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The ACA will be an illustration that conservatives aren't interested in policy outcomes.
Conservatives most definitely are interested in policy outcomes. The outcome is exactly why we've been so against Obamacare from the start.
Let me say this clearly:
YOU WILL NOT SEE THE THE INTENDED OUTCOME OF THIS LAW. EVER.
You just won't. The administration will try to massage the numbers and make everything look rosy, but the outcome will not be what was intended.
Let's look at the two the most significant intended outcomes of this law:
The average family will save $2,500 per year.
The approximately 40 million people that weren't covered prior to this law will have insurance.
I will give you $100 if, three years from now (hey, I'm giving you a solid chance here), either of those things bear out.
Neither will.
People (maybe you?) complain about anecdotes being provided as evidence of this or that, but the almighty Obama administration has given us NOTHING with which we can determine the true impact of this law. Don't you think that if things were going as swimmingly as they're trying to claim, they'd have reams of information backing up those claims? Why don't you think we have that supporting evidence? Who's holding it back? For what reason?
The administration clearly isn't going to provide the necessary details to determine whether this law is working as intended, so we're going to have to wait it out. The info will drip through the cracks, but it's going to take time. When the facts do come to light, you're going to discover that you were on the wrong side of this issue, and that you should have been with the majority of the country in OPPOSING this colossal waste of time, money and political capital. You'll be right next to me, arguing that Obama and the Democrats should have been focusing on the economy, which as you'll remember, had just tanked when Obama came into office and started pushing for health insurance reform. He wasted virtually all the political clout he had on Obamacare, when he should have been trying to get people back to work.
The ACA will be an illustration that conservatives aren't interested in policy outcomes.
All of these fake policy questions/concerns that conservatives claim to have will fall one by one and they'll either ignore the answers or deny the answers.
You don't see conservatives at all grappling with the 8 million Americans who have signed up in the exchanges and asking themselves what does that really mean for the law's possible success or failure?
You don't see conservatives at all grappling with the millions more Americans that have gained insurance through medicaid and asking themselves why conservatives Governors in so many states are denying their own citizens that same opportunity?
You don't see conservatives grappling with the estimates which range from 9.3million to 12million previously uninsured have gained insurance this year now from three different organizations Rand Corporation, Gallup, and the CBO.
You don't see them grappling with the fact that premiums were lower than the estimates.
In fact conservatives aren't dealing with any aspect of the law that has anything to do with reality.
This opposition is pure ideological for conservatives. The law can't work because the law can't work and that's that.
This is their stance which ignores reports of the success of the law and pretends that some questions about the law have not been answered.
What happened to the promises of covering ALL americans?
Did Democrats move the goal post once again in order to pretend its a success?
I don't consider any numbers from any WH 'statistical evidence.'
In February, CBO lowered its exchange enrollment estimate from 7 million down to 6 million. That was in February. CBO was off by 2 million a mere 2 months before the 3/31/deadline ? For discussions, I'll use the 8 million, but the CBO is the alternative data that makes me skeptical.
Well, yes, considering that all the reports have been about how state exchanges have had huge influxes in the last few weeks, it seems more than plausible. The alternative is a huge conspiracy of made-up people coordinated across all the states.
So you believe that they made up millions of people and think they would get away with it? Not only that but the civil servant statisticians who compile this stuff exist across the political spectrum. The idea of vast statistical conspiracies of this nature do NOT pan out.
Well, yes, considering that all the reports have been about how state exchanges have had huge influxes in the last few weeks, it seems more than plausible. The alternative is a huge conspiracy of made-up people coordinated across all the states.
So you believe that they made up millions of people and think they would get away with it? Not only that but the civil servant statisticians who compile this stuff exist across the political spectrum. The idea of vast statistical conspiracies of this nature do NOT pan out.
The exchanges have had huge influxes each of the 3 deadline dates which is why the deadline kept moving to the right and into March of 2014.
It has been estimated that 9 million bought plans directly from insurers and bypassed the exchanges. The only people allowed to buy the "junk" policies were those who previously had such policies.
Go to ehealthinsurance and type in your zip code.
They are still offering junk plans. Also short term 6-11 month plans with pre existing clauses.
Before I could have purchased any insurance with 1-3 year rate guarantees. Now no such option exists.
Thanks Obama for restricting choices on the individual market. The only thing he kept was allowing private insurers to keep pre existing clauses with these policies!
Over one million more than were projected with the final numbers coming in. Only 27% of the enrollees were between 18 and 34. However that means that almost 6 million were over 35 with many in the what could be considered the Republican base between 50-64. Do you think those people are going to be responding to the Republican plan of repeal and lose their insurance and possible subsidies? The Republicans dont have a plan as the RSC admits since nothing has ever been voted on since 2010. Shouldn't Republicans be coming up with a plan rather than telling the 8 million sorry about your health insurance but we have ours?
Enrolled or paid? Signing up on a website is far different than actually being covered.
How many LOST their insurance, versus those that will gain?
And yes, the GOP has a plan. A few of them. But the criminals in the Senate won't even acknowledge they exist.
Just wait another year, when employers start shedding employees off of their insurance, with no reimbursement for the difference. Talk about wage drop....
Not sure what you are talking about if you look at all the numbers, Medicaid expansion, adult children under 26, insurance purchased off the private exchanges, and on the government exchanges you are talking about 18-19 million people. The Republican plan is to give these 18 million the boot. Most will be sacrificed to Paul Ryans budget and left uninsured. About half will get insurance with some paying less and some paying more. About 10 million or more will probably never vote Republican again.
The number of uninsured dropped from 40.7 to 31.4 million, a total drop of 9.3 million people. 3.9 million people signed up through the market place. However, only 1.4 million of those that signed up through the marketplace didn't have insurance before. A majority of the drop was from an increase in individuals signing up through work or signing up for medicaid. Some of that is due to Obamacare, much of it is due to individual finding jobs that provide insurance, becoming just becoming eligible for medicaid, just now signing up or those forced to seek other insurance due to the canceling of policies.
Obamacare did result in millions getting insurance. However, the cost to taxpayers well exceeds the price for purchasing those same policies straight out. Once you include in the costs due to reduced employment, that amount becomes truly staggering. It was a poorly though out bill, poorly implemented and that ending up costing far more than the benefits provided.
If the ACA is as resounding of a success as is claimed, then the next CBO numbers should show a substantial reduction in cost to the government. I will be looking forward to those new projections.
I'm starting to hear good things more and more often about Obamacare.
Retirees in my company have to pay 100% of their healthcare. The going rate for most is around $1500 per month for the employee and their spouse.
I heard that a guy I used to work with dropped that and signed up for MnSure which is under the Obamacare umbrella. $800.00 per month for the same coverage with a lower deductible.
If the ACA is as resounding of a success as is claimed, then the next CBO numbers should show a substantial reduction in cost to the government. I will be looking forward to those new projections.
And the census bureau has redone all their survey questions regarding healthcare and health insurance.
They even said that the numbers will be so different this go round that they cannot be compared to any previous census bureau survey.
Even the NYTimes comments that it will be hard to use the survey to gauge how well Obamacare fared.
When they tested out their new questions they came up with many less uninsured people then their previous survey questions.
I guess the census bureau can't just ask "Do you have health insurance" Yes or No and count that ?
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/16/us...ects.html?_r=0
The Census Bureau, the authoritative source of health insurance data for more than three decades, is changing its annual survey so thoroughly that it will be difficult to measure the effects of President Obama’s health care law in the next report, due this fall, census officials said.
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