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Old 04-17-2014, 05:46 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Iamme73 View Post
You are making stuff up with out any proof and ignoring reality. Smh

Here is some reality.

Obamacare helped nearly 10 million get insurance, Gallup finds
Obamacare helped nearly 10 million get insurance, Gallup finds
In total, 9.9 million people got insurance since the last quarter of 2013, bringing the number of uninsured Americans down from 43.5 million to 36.3 million, Gallup says.

"We feel pretty comfortable attributing much of this change to the Affordable Care Act," Witters told NBC News.

http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/fil..._Estimates.pdf

CBO and JCT estimate that the insurance coverage pro- visions of the ACA will increase the proportion of the nonelderly population with insurance from roughly
80 percent in the absence of the ACA to about 84 percent in 2014 and to about 89 percent in 2016 and beyond (see Table 2). CBO and JCT project that 12 million more nonelderly people will have health insurance in 2014 than would have had it in the absence of the ACA.


Survey Estimates Net Gain of 9.3 Million American Adults with Health Insurance | RAND

Using a survey fielded by the RAND American Life Panel, we estimate a net gain of 9.3 million in the number of American adults with health insurance coverage from September 2013 to mid-March 2014.
But early evidence from our survey indicates that the ACA has already led to a substantial increase in insurance coverage.
Consistent with the design of the ACA, this gain in insurance has come not only from new enrollment in the marketplaces, but also from new enrollment in employer coverage and Medicaid.
I know you have read the cbo report. I have also. The 26 pages.

The CBO INCLUDED among the 7 million all those millions who lost their policies and signed up on the exchanges as new enrollees.

" In particular, some people who had insurance coverage in 2013 and would have become uninsured in 2014 for one reason or another in the absence of the ACA will, under the ACA, be covered in 2014 through the exchanges, Medicaid, or CHIP. Those people are included in CBO and JCT’s estimate of the increase in insurance coverage in 2014 that stems from the ACA.5 CBO and JCT have not estimated the number of people who were uninsured in 2013 and will be insured in 2014."

Page 7 of cbo report. Right hand side.

http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/fil..._Estimates.pdf

I also read the RAND report as well. 8.2 million gained insurance through employer sponsored care. The "net 9.3 million gain" isn't directly due to the ACA.

Why are they taking credit for employer gains as a plus for the ACA. Especially when Obama delayed the employer mandate. Think.

 
Old 04-17-2014, 05:48 PM
 
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This is all great news... So the cost of coverage should go down and the cost to the taxpayer should decrease as well. All of the costs should be decreased if this is the case. Keep that in mind
Yes the CBO also said this about the law

http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/fil..._Estimates.pdf

Relative to their previous projections, CBO and JCT now estimate that the ACA’s coverage provisions will result in lower net costs to the federal government: The agencies now project a net cost of $36 billion for 2014, $5 billion less than the previous projection for the year; and $1,383 billion for the 2015–2024 period, $104 billion less than the previous projection.2
 
Old 04-17-2014, 05:49 PM
 
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In February Obama said that almost 7 million were signed up for expanded medicaid.
Several of the states still have backlogs of applications for the expanded medicaid.
CA alone has 800,000 backlogged applications for expanded medicaid.

Now is that number counted in the 8 million ?

Here is what Obama said on 2/20/2014:
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...has-brought-h/
He provided a breakdown:

"Right now, we’ve already got close to 4 million Americans who have signed up for exchanges. We’ve got 3 million Americans who were able to stay on their parents’ plan because of the law. We’ve got close to 7 million Americans who have access to health care for the first time because of Medicaid expansion. So we’ve already got well over 10 million Americans just in the first few months, despite problems with healthcare.gov in the first month and a half, who suddenly have the financial security that in some cases they’ve never known before."
 
Old 04-17-2014, 05:49 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Iamme73 View Post
You are making stuff up with out any proof and ignoring reality. Smh

Here is some reality.

Obamacare helped nearly 10 million get insurance, Gallup finds
Obamacare helped nearly 10 million get insurance, Gallup finds
In total, 9.9 million people got insurance since the last quarter of 2013, bringing the number of uninsured Americans down from 43.5 million to 36.3 million, Gallup says.
That was AFTER it caused million to lose insurance to begin with
 
Old 04-17-2014, 05:49 PM
 
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Yes the CBO also said this about the law

http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/fil..._Estimates.pdf

Relative to their previous projections, CBO and JCT now estimate that the ACA’s coverage provisions will result in lower net costs to the federal government: The agencies now project a net cost of $36 billion for 2014, $5 billion less than the previous projection for the year; and $1,383 billion for the 2015–2024 period, $104 billion less than the previous projection.2
Time will tell....
 
Old 04-17-2014, 05:50 PM
 
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What goal posts? The law is in it's first 6months of implementation. No one thought that all uninsured Americans will be signed up by now.

Plus conservatives are blocking millions of Americans from getting health insurance by blocking the medicaid expansion that is designed to get lower income Americans insurance.

So how can Democrats move the goal posts when conservatives are preventing millions of Americans from gaining insurance by blocking the medicaid expansion? Smh
The legislation is NEVER going to cover every american, thats how they pay for it, by accessing fines to the uninsured...

OBAMA LIED when he said every american would be covered..

You make excuses for it..
 
Old 04-17-2014, 05:52 PM
 
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That was AFTER it caused million to lose insurance to begin with
I know. I posted direct quote from CBO that states they are including those who lost their insurance (the 5 million or so policies) who had to re enroll in the exchanges.

People think some people would have enrolled in private market also. But most of the exchange and private market policies during open enrollment were exactly the same.
 
Old 04-17-2014, 05:52 PM
 
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Yes the CBO also said this about the law

http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/fil..._Estimates.pdf

Relative to their previous projections, CBO and JCT now estimate that the ACA’s coverage provisions will result in lower net costs to the federal government: The agencies now project a net cost of $36 billion for 2014, $5 billion less than the previous projection for the year; and $1,383 billion for the 2015–2024 period, $104 billion less than the previous projection.2
7 million people added to the medicaid rolls, a backlog of over 1 million medicaid applications and the Fed will spend LESS money ?

If that's the case put all Americans on medicaid and we'll have a surplus
 
Old 04-17-2014, 05:54 PM
 
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I know you have read the cbo report. I have also. The 26 pages.

The CBO INCLUDED among the 7 million all those millions who lost their policies and signed up on the exchanges as new enrollees.

I also read the RAND report as well. 8.2 million gained insurance through employer sponsored care. The "net 9.3 million gain" isn't directly due to the ACA.

Why are they taking credit for employer gains as a plus for the ACA. Especially when Obama delayed the employer mandate. Think.
Smh Read the highlighted parts. This is not what I am saying this is what Gallup, CBO, and Rand are saying.

CBO and JCT estimate that the insurance coverage pro- visions of the ACA will increase the proportion of the nonelderly population with insurance from roughly
80 percent in the absence of the ACA to about 84 percent in 2014 and to about 89 percent in 2016 and beyond (see Table 2). CBO and JCT project that 12 million more nonelderly people will have health insurance in 2014 than would have had it in the absence of the ACA.

Survey Estimates Net Gain of 9.3 Million American Adults with Health Insurance | RAND

But early evidence from our survey indicates that the ACA has already led to a substantial increase in insurance coverage.

Obamacare helped nearly 10 million get insurance, Gallup finds
In total, 9.9 million people got insurance since the last quarter of 2013, bringing the number of uninsured Americans down from 43.5 million to 36.3 million, Gallup says.

"We feel pretty comfortable attributing much of this change to the Affordable Care Act," Witters told NBC News.
 
Old 04-17-2014, 06:01 PM
 
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Smh Read the highlighted parts. This is not what I am saying this is what Gallup, CBO, and Rand are saying.

CBO and JCT estimate that the insurance coverage pro- visions of the ACA will increase the proportion of the nonelderly population with insurance from roughly
80 percent in the absence of the ACA to about 84 percent in 2014 and to about 89 percent in 2016 and beyond (see Table 2). CBO and JCT project that 12 million more nonelderly people will have health insurance in 2014 than would have had it in the absence of the ACA.

Survey Estimates Net Gain of 9.3 Million American Adults with Health Insurance | RAND

But early evidence from our survey indicates that the ACA has already led to a substantial increase in insurance coverage.

Obamacare helped nearly 10 million get insurance, Gallup finds
In total, 9.9 million people got insurance since the last quarter of 2013, bringing the number of uninsured Americans down from 43.5 million to 36.3 million, Gallup says.

"We feel pretty comfortable attributing much of this change to the Affordable Care Act," Witters told NBC News.
Yes. I understand what you are saying. That also proves my point that many of the so called 50 million uninsured due to non economic factors.

I keep pointing out 11 millions (8 million households) with incomes over $75k among the uninsured. The ACA is just forcing then to buy insurance. Same for most of the 20 million young adults. Most young adult are healthy and too lazy to buy their now policies.

The ACA isn't making it affordable for these people.

So what we really had was about 30 million people out of the 50 million uninsured who really didn't want to pay for health insurance. It wasn't due to a cost issue. Young people uninsured could have gotten plans for $100-150/month prior to the ACA. Those making over $75k aren't helped either very much.

The ACA is just forcing these people onto plans. It's not really saving them any money.

We are still going to end up with 20-30 million uninsured.

So would you agree 50 million uninsured was an inflated number? That probably only 20 million uninsured was the true number who didn't have access to affordable health care? Yes or no?
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