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They didn't lie about not knowing, as it was obvious. They were pretending they had let their spying on Russia lapse since the cold war.
THAT was the lie -- there's no way they're spying on Merkl's phone calls and not Putin's.
Like Putin would have been stupid enough to plan anything on his cellphone? We get lied to all the time from the government. I find it amazing how many people simply accept that. Not only accept it, defend it.
Like Putin would have been stupid enough to plan anything on his cellphone? We get lied to all the time from the government. I find it amazing how many people simply accept that. Not only accept it, defend it.
If NSA couldn't alert the US government to the Crimean operation, they should just close up shop.
If NSA couldn't alert the US government to the Crimean operation, they should just close up shop.
Sounds good to me. News this morning about how the intelligence agency's screwed up with Dzhokhar Tsarnaev. They weren't even capable enough to spell his name correctly.
If you put aside your feelings about if he was justified in revealing the domestic collection capabilities that he did, should he be charged with treason or espionage or other related offenses?
Sure, just as soon as Obama and everyone in the entire chain of command and everyone who had any knowledge (since they are accessories) of the program are arrested, tried, convicted and sentenced.
Just so we're clear on the concept, wasting precious tax payer dollars from US citizens to spy on US citizens is the act of treason here.
That the US government classifies information does not mean the information needs to be classified, or even that the information is a matter of "National Security."
How about this....how about you go to the Emergency Room at General Hospital in Cincinnati, and without your knowledge or your consent, the government chooses you to participate in an illegal secret radiation experiment which causes your death.....
...you are murdered by your own government...
...and then classifies it as "National Security?"
That's real....that actually happened in the US. 89 people are known to have been murdered in that secret illegal medical experiment, but the data suggests more than 300+ people were murdered by the US government.
When the remaining documents are finally declassified in 2049, we may know the entire truth.
So before jumping to hasty conclusions --- a fallacy --- you might want to consider having an impartial group reviewing the material to see if it really is a matter of "National Security" or a matter of "National Embarrassment."
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Originally Posted by Grsz11
The answer is really irrelevant in the end, as the Russians will never hand him over.
In the meantime, you can prosecute the few thousand people you have here who violated the Constitution and committed treason.
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Originally Posted by djacques
Snowden and Manning are heroes of the highest order. If Russia benefits collaterally from blows against the American empire, so be it.
Yes, they are. We need about 30 Million more Americans just like them.
Case dismissed....
He should be charged with treason. He handed a lot of classified information to China and Russia, and that is a serious crime, which he did not have to commit.
I missed the part where we declared war on China and Russia, can you elaborate on that?
He should be charged with treason. He handed a lot of classified information to China and Russia, and that is a serious crime, which he did not have to commit. He should have stopped at going public with the info concerning wiretapping. He showed is true colors when he chose China and Russia from all the other countries he could have gone to.
Snowden didn't 'hand' his information to anyone. He just put it on the net so anyone and everyone can see it.
You imply that he only showed the secrets to Chinese and Russian officials, and that is simply not true. Anyone who can read English can see the same stuff, anywhere on the planet.
That was the only way to rip the scab off the infection of overwhelming, needless secrecy the NSA suffers from.
We need secrets, but we don't need everyone in the USA to have their lives and mundane affairs intruded in such an overwhelming fashion. The NSA jumped the track and went way out of bounds.
Sure, just as soon as Obama and everyone in the entire chain of command and everyone who had any knowledge (since they are accessories) of the program are arrested, tried, convicted and sentenced.
Just so we're clear on the concept, wasting precious tax payer dollars from US citizens to spy on US citizens is the act of treason here.
That the US government classifies information does not mean the information needs to be classified, or even that the information is a matter of "National Security."
How about this....how about you go to the Emergency Room at General Hospital in Cincinnati, and without your knowledge or your consent, the government chooses you to participate in an illegal secret radiation experiment which causes your death.....
...you are murdered by your own government...
...and then classifies it as "National Security?"
That's real....that actually happened in the US. 89 people are known to have been murdered in that secret illegal medical experiment, but the data suggests more than 300+ people were murdered by the US government.
When the remaining documents are finally declassified in 2049, we may know the entire truth.
So before jumping to hasty conclusions --- a fallacy --- you might want to consider having an impartial group reviewing the material to see if it really is a matter of "National Security" or a matter of "National Embarrassment."
In the meantime, you can prosecute the few thousand people you have here who violated the Constitution and committed treason.
Yes, they are. We need about 30 Million more Americans just like them.
Case dismissed....
Mircea
Reps to you! My question is when are people here going to wake up and actually demand the prosecution of these treasonous SOBs in a blatant violation of the 4th Amendment? The funny thing is people are b****ing and moaning about him going to Russia! He exposes these fools for the frauds that they are, and in turn to cover up their BS want to potentially kill him so he flees. What the hell did they expect him to do? Nevermind those that call his actions treasonous don't even question what the NSA did in the first place!
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My question is when are people here going to wake up and actually demand the prosecution of these treasonous SOBs in a blatant violation of the 4th Amendment? The funny thing is people are b****ing and moaning about him going to Russia! He exposes these fools for the frauds that they are, and in turn to cover up their BS want to potentially kill him so he flees. What the hell did they expect him to do? Nevermind those that call his actions treasonous don't even question what the NSA did in the first place!
