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Old 04-19-2014, 10:24 AM
 
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they definitely should begin early. bilingual people do better across the board in school, and knowing a foreign language is useful for jobs, important for travel, AND opens up an entirely new way of thinking/perceiving/expressing.

speaking just one language is not ever an advantage.
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Old 04-19-2014, 10:24 AM
 
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Spanish is of no value to an American.
I wouldn't really agree with that --- it is of definite value if you want to be a social worker, or work with children or other people who are on welfare programs. Or is you wish to work in construction, hire a cheap landscaper or illegal nanny. It can get you extra money if you want to work in a call center as a telemarketer.

It's of definite value if you want to travel to Mexico and South America.
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Old 04-19-2014, 10:26 AM
 
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they definitely should begin early. bilingual people do better across the board in school, and knowing a foreign language is useful for jobs, important for travel, AND opens up an entirely new way of thinking/perceiving/expressing.

speaking just one language is not ever an advantage.
Actually there is no evidence of that --- bilingual students here are performing terribly on standardized tests, math and science scores are rock bottom. They have the highest drop out rates of all groups.
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Old 04-19-2014, 10:27 AM
 
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We should all just learn Esperanto as our other language
You said it, not me.


But yeah, it's a start.
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Old 04-19-2014, 10:28 AM
 
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Actually there is no evidence of that --- bilingual students here are performing terribly on standardized tests, math and science scores are rock bottom. They have the highest drop out rates of all groups.
Chinese students seem to do quite well.
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Old 04-19-2014, 10:30 AM
 
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Actually there is no evidence of that --- bilingual students here are performing terribly on standardized tests, math and science scores are rock bottom. They have the highest drop out rates of all groups.
But is speaking one language an advantage? Does the fact that a person only speaks one language make him/her do better on standardized tests?

So I'd have to say there is no evidence to the contrary, either. I'd bet if we increase our sampling pool to include the rest of the world, there may just be a correlation with language ability and performance on standardized tests, though.
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Old 04-19-2014, 10:34 AM
 
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But is speaking one language an advantage? Does the fact that a person only speaks one language make him/her do better on standardized tests?

So I'd have to say there is no evidence to the contrary, either. I'd bet if we increase our sampling pool to include the rest of the world, there may just be a correlation with language ability and performance on standardized tests, though.
It totally depends.

If math and science are being cut out so that students can spend all their time learning Spanish, then the math and science scores fall --- we see that all along the border, the bilingual students have the lowest scores, they haven't bothered to learn English well enough to finish school and they are terrible in math and science.

If instead of learning 100 foreign languages, you spend your time learning Calculus and Java and C++, you might come out ahead.

If you travel to France, learning French might help you. If you go into science, learning Russian or German might help you. If you go into international business, it might help to learn Chinese. If you go into social work, then learn Spanish.

The USA became the richest most powerful nation on earth when English was the common language and most Americans didn't have second languages.

If anything bring back the classical languages -- Classic Latin and Classic Greek.
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Old 04-19-2014, 10:42 AM
 
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Actually there is no evidence of that --- bilingual students here are performing terribly on standardized tests, math and science scores are rock bottom. They have the highest drop out rates of all groups.
That is a very 1st grade analysis right there. Is it because they are bilingual that they are dropping out so much? No, it's the fact that many of these kids live in the same socioeconomic status that monolingual Black kids do
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Old 04-19-2014, 10:47 AM
 
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That is a very 1st grade analysis right there. Is it because they are bilingual that they are dropping out so much? No, it's the fact that many of these kids live in the same socioeconomic status that monolingual Black kids do
They have higher drop out rates than black kids do. If learning spanish was helping them, they'd outperform those black kids, they do worse.
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Old 04-19-2014, 10:48 AM
 
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If anything bring back the classical languages -- Classic Latin and Classic Greek.
Latin is lineal; Classic Greek is multi-dimensional.

The founders could not have written the Constitution in English without help from both.

Classic Greek is reason and commerce. (Very libertarian)

Latin, is reason applied to force, to enact Government Commerce.
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