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I would think that 5 years would have plenty of time for Republicans to argue amongst themselves in order to present a PLAN, not a proposal.
When the party whip and speaker determine a lack of interest within their own party or a preference to not go on record, stuff gets shuffled off to committee to punt and die.
How many times did Obama lie these past 4 years? 60 or was it 70? How many millions of people did he kick off their medical insurance? 10 million? 15 million?
The Tea Party has a health care plan for the next 10 years. Its called Medicare, Tricare, VA and Medicaid for seniors. For the rest of you forget about it. Our plan cost 10 trillion dollars. The plan we have for you costs nothing. We are saving taxpayers 3 trillion dollars. Thats the Tea Party plan. Too bad you guys who dont like the Tea Party dont vote.
Tea Party blah .......blah.............blah Tea Party blah, blah, blah, Tea Party blah, blah, blah, Tea Party blah, blah, blah.
A red herring is a smelly fish that would distract even a bloodhound. It is also a digression that leads the reasoner off the track of considering only relevant information.
The entire premise of your thread is questionable and my response....which you both have continually avoided..
A reasoner who is supposed to address an issue but instead goes off on a tangent is properly accused of using the fallacy of avoiding the issue.
...addresses your question squarely.
Healthcare is not Interstate Commerce.
2. CHIEF JUSTICE ROBERTS concluded in Part III–A that the individual mandate is not a valid exercise of Congress’s power under the Commerce Clause and the Necessary and Proper Clause. Pp. 16–30.
Do you understand the big words there?
Obamacare violated the US Constitution. After consulting a Ouija Board, the Supreme Court waved a magic wand and declared it to be tax...making it only barely constitutional....but most likely unenforceable.
Democrats violated the US Constitution, and then to demand that Republicans -- or anyone else...since I'm not a Republican --- to violate the Constitution as well is absurd.
I had lunch today with some people and we used a lot of really big words you wouldn't understand, but suffice to say that it appears at least some of the provisions of Obamacare have been delayed in order to prevent additional legal challenges to Obamacare.
I'll try to dumb this down for the not-too-bright-people-who-don't-understand-big-words, but Obama has pulled all of his cards off the table, and left his highest card, which is the tax on the individuals.
There are still numerous legal challenges to Obamacare. The issue is "standing." There are people who do not as of yet have standing, but as soon as they get hit with the tax penalty, they'll have standing to sue. Apparently the Obama Administration thinks a victory with the individual mandate penalty gives the best chance of warding off or winning other future legal challenges.
A good analogy for your silly incessant whining is, "We Democrats gouged out our eyeballs and now Republicans must do the same, or I'll have my in-home living assistant start countless useless threads on the issue."
Too bad you didn't give you didn't give up the Kool-Aid® for Lent....
Mircea
Uh no. The topic at hand is that the republicans have voted 50 times to repeal the ACA. And that they have not introduced any legislation to replace or reform the ACA. And then because of your obsession with the American Hospital Association, your original post fails to answer the issue as to why the republicans haven't offered any solution to reform the healthcare system.
The ruling that you stated is 100% correct, but it does not change the fact that republicans have offered nothing on the table for health reform. At least Bush Jr offered HSA's. These republicans haven't offered anything solid.
Uh no. The topic at hand is that the republicans have voted 50 times to repeal the ACA. And that they have not introduced any legislation to replace or reform the ACA. And then because of your obsession with the American Hospital Association, your original post fails to answer the issue as to why the republicans haven't offered any solution to reform the healthcare system.
The ruling that you stated is 100% correct, but it does not change the fact that republicans have offered nothing on the table for health reform. At least Bush Jr offered HSA's. These republicans haven't offered anything solid.
Sure they have. We call it the ACA. And now they can't run fast enough from their own plan.
Under Bush, the health care crisis stared Pubs square in the face for 8 horrific years, and they ignored it. Their focus was on helping the rich get richer, while everyone else goes to hell. Now that President Obama has successfully come up with a great plan, they want to try to take the attention away from its success, and present their own plan? Absurd.
The GOP plan for health care, like everything else they do, would be about as useful as a used piece of toilet paper. The best thing the Pubs can do is leave this matter to the heavy hitters (Pres Obama and Dems), and get the hell out of the way.
If the republicans have been so concerned about the state of healthcare in this country then why did they wait until AFTER the passage of the ACA to speak up? It seems to me that all of this "concern" that's currently on display by the right wing is a pathetic attempt to try and save face because the Dems are the only ones that actually got something done to correct the nightmare that was healthcare in the US. Is the ACA perfect? Not by a long sot. Is it a step in the right direction? You betcha! The sooner we get to single payer the better off we'll all be and they know it.
This has got to be the most ludicrous statement so far. The way it was is BROKEN! It didn't work. Too many people suffered because they didn't have the money to see a doctor. You are right...insurance is not a right but healthcare is.
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The best thing the Pubs can do is leave this matter to the heavy hitters (Pres Obama and Dems), and get the hell out of the way.
