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To the OP and the person to whom you are responding, all Muslims are guilty by association because a few fanatics sullied the name of Islam by acting outside the will of Allah.
It is a very sick and myopic way of viewing the world and such attitudes will eventually cause the deaths of innocent people.
May the blood be on their willfully ignorant hands.
Beyond all that, thought, this attitude is mindbogglingly self harming!
I understand if the OP and his ilk do not like Muslims. They can hate Islam as a"death cult" if they like. The First Amendment gives them that right.
What I find stupefying is that they would be so wrapped up in that anger and hate that they willingly give away or destroy the very First Amendment protections that enable them to hold an unpopular view without repercussion! If you change the law to allow discrimination to Muslims, you have set the precedent that religious discrimination is ok. When a city like Deerborn decides that only Islam is allowed in the city limits and all other religions are not permitted, they can't complain because they opened that door! It is amazing to me that Conservative Christians have not flocked to organizations like Americans United for the Separation of Church and State. Why would you choose to give a government power over your relationship with God? The issue of religion in public schools didn't start with atheists, it started because Protestants were indoctrinating Catholic children. Getting religion out of schools was designed to protect Christianity from Christianity!
We have a pretty good system. The Constitution is a good framework for a nation, if we will follow it!
Well here is some of those that are that were up to less-than-honorable ends. Not to say all or the majority of a religion are like this. However this shows you how terrorists can "trojan horse" a religious institute.
Which is a good reason for people to be wary of religious leaders. Especially the devout. Bad people can and will use your own religion to control you.
Beyond all that, thought, this attitude is mindbogglingly self harming!
I understand if the OP and his ilk do not like Muslims. They can hate Islam as a"death cult" if they like. The First Amendment gives them that right.
What I find stupefying is that they would be so wrapped up in that anger and hate that they willingly give away or destroy the very First Amendment protections that enable them to hold an unpopular view without repercussion! If you change the law to allow discrimination to Muslims, you have set the precedent that religious discrimination is ok. When a city like Deerborn decides that only Islam is allowed in the city limits and all other religions are not permitted, they can't complain because they opened that door! It is amazing to me that Conservative Christians have not flocked to organizations like Americans United for the Separation of Church and State. Why would you choose to give a government power over your relationship with God? The issue of religion in public schools didn't start with atheists, it started because Protestants were indoctrinating Catholic children. Getting religion out of schools was designed to protect Christianity from Christianity!
We have a pretty good system. The Constitution is a good framework for a nation, if we will follow it!
-NoCapo
If I hadn't already repped you for a previous post, I'd rep you for this one. I am baffled by people who can't seem to see this.
Beyond all that, thought, this attitude is mindbogglingly self harming!
I understand if the OP and his ilk do not like Muslims. They can hate Islam as a"death cult" if they like. The First Amendment gives them that right.
What I find stupefying is that they would be so wrapped up in that anger and hate that they willingly give away or destroy the very First Amendment protections that enable them to hold an unpopular view without repercussion! If you change the law to allow discrimination to Muslims, you have set the precedent that religious discrimination is ok. When a city like Deerborn decides that only Islam is allowed in the city limits and all other religions are not permitted, they can't complain because they opened that door! It is amazing to me that Conservative Christians have not flocked to organizations like Americans United for the Separation of Church and State. Why would you choose to give a government power over your relationship with God? The issue of religion in public schools didn't start with atheists, it started because Protestants were indoctrinating Catholic children. Getting religion out of schools was designed to protect Christianity from Christianity!
We have a pretty good system. The Constitution is a good framework for a nation, if we will follow it!
Not to mention the fools who riot in the streets because a newspaper printed a cartoon that they don't like. This country would be better off without Islam, no doubt.
And if they are doing it without resorting to violence, then they have every right to do so. That is participation in our political process, and it is a right of an American citizen! If you don't like it, vote for people who will not back those sorts of laws. Christians have spent the better part of the last 30 years intentionally trying to poke holes in the separation of Church and State to get Creationism and Christian prayer in public education, to criminalize religiously prohibited behavior, to codify their religion in law. It is a bit hypocritical to be upset when Muslims do it to...
My answer is for Muslims, Christians, and us non-theists alike to vigorously protect everyone's right to peacefully practice their own faith (or none at all), and keep the government out of it.
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Not to mention the fools who riot in the streets because a newspaper printed a cartoon that they don't like. This country would be better off without Islam, no doubt.
Would we be better off without Christianity because some fools shot up a school bus over textbooks that they found offensive? No, we would be better off without the fools! So lets not assume that all Christians are going to blow up schools ans attack busses, and lets assume not all Muslims are going to fly planes into stuff.
Not to mention the fools who riot in the streets because a newspaper printed a cartoon that they don't like. This country would be better off without Islam, no doubt.
I don't think that Muslims are going to get anywhere suppressing free speech within the US. Foreign policy is a much knottier issue. On the one hand, I absolutely hate it when we aid despotic governments of any stripe. On the other hand, we must pursue our interests in the world we have, not the one we'd like.
And if they are doing it without resorting to violence, then they have every right to do so. That is participation in our political process, and it is a right of an American citizen! If you don't like it, vote for people who will not back those sorts of laws. Christians have spent the better part of the last 30 years intentionally trying to poke holes in the separation of Church and State to get Creationism and Christian prayer in public education, to criminalize religiously prohibited behavior, to codify their religion in law. It is a bit hypocritical to be upset when Muslims do it to...
My answer is for Muslims, Christians, and us non-theists alike to vigorously protect everyone's right to peacefully practice their own faith (or none at all), and keep the government out of it.
Would we be better off without Christianity because some fools shot up a school bus over textbooks that they found offensive? No, we would be better off without the fools! So lets not assume that all Christians are going to blow up schools ans attack busses, and lets assume not all Muslims are going to fly planes into stuff.
-NoCapo
Every right to do so? I don't think so. Blasphemy laws have no place in a modern society. If you think otherwise you should consider moving to Iran or Saudi Arabia. I have never heard of Christians pushing for blasphemy laws, so no, it isn't hypocritical. But if you criticize Christianity and defend Islam you're being hypocritcal, aren't you?
And it doesn't matter if all Muslims riot in the street over cartoons or not. Enough do. And that's a problem.
Look at this case, where a woman had to go into hiding over "Let's draw Mohammed day." Why do we need this in our country? Seriously, why? Everybody Draw Mohammed Day - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I don't think that Muslims are going to get anywhere suppressing free speech within the US. Foreign policy is a much knottier issue. On the one hand, I absolutely hate it when we aid despotic governments of any stripe. On the other hand, we must pursue our interests in the world we have, not the one we'd like.
In fact, looking at Freedom House's Freedom in the World survey for 2014, it looks like many of the least free countries aren't Muslim: Cuba, Russia, Belarus, North Korea, China, Burma, Laos, Cambodia, Vietnam, South Sudan, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Central African Republic, Cameroon, Congo, DR Congo, Gabon, Swaziland, and Zimbabwe.
Every right to do so? I don't think so. Blasphemy laws have no place in a modern society. If you think otherwise you should consider moving to Iran or Saudi Arabia. I have never heard of Christians pushing for blasphemy laws, so no, it isn't hypocritical.
Doesn't One Million Moms exist solely to identify and target things they think are blasphemous to Christianity?
Doesn't One Million Moms exist solely to identify and target things they think are blasphemous to Christianity?
I don't know what that is. But are they pushing the government to make criticism of Christianity illegal?
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