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Old 04-15-2014, 10:12 AM
 
Location: Østenfor sol og vestenfor måne
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Using deadly force against intruders is OK by me. If you break into my home, I am shooting you center mass at point blank range with my 12ga.

Executing subdued intruders is murder. A worse crime than the intruders were ostensibly there to commit.

The way some people on here look at it, once a person is illegaly in your house, you can do -whatever- you want to them. Execute them, torture them, rape them, enslave them...

 
Old 04-15-2014, 10:59 AM
 
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I agree with this. Once you're faced with a situation like this, you don't have time to think about all the laws that favor criminals who break and enter into your home. Your one goal is to protect yourself and your family.
Anytime you act without thinking of the laws governing the situation, you run the risk of going to jail. If there's deadly force involved, you risk going to jail for a long time. Anyone who'd drag a wounded teenage girl over to the body of her dead accomplice, then kill her? Lock him up. I don't give a sh.t who holds the deed to the house where it took place.
 
Old 04-15-2014, 11:04 AM
 
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You have the right to protect yourself in the US of A. They want to take that away from you.
 
Old 04-15-2014, 11:09 AM
 
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Anytime you act without thinking of the laws governing the situation, you run the risk of going to jail. If there's deadly force involved, you risk going to jail for a long time. Anyone who'd drag a wounded teenage girl over to the body of her dead accomplice, then kill her? Lock him up. I don't give a sh.t who holds the deed to the house where it took place.
The flip side of this is if you shoot someone in your house in defense of your house and they don't die then you are liable for the damage. Killing them eliminates the liability.

What if it was your house and they were there to take something very dear from you? And they had been there several times before.
 
Old 04-15-2014, 11:18 AM
 
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The flip side of this is if you shoot someone in your house in defense of your house and they don't die then you are liable for the damage. Killing them eliminates the liability.

What if it was your house and they were there to take something very dear from you? And they had been there several times before.
The Castle Doctrine will keep you from being sued.
 
Old 04-15-2014, 11:27 AM
 
Location: Vermont
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You have the right to protect yourself in the US of A. They want to take that away from you.
What do you think this guy needed to do to protect himself from two kids immobilized and bleeding out after they fell down the cellar stairs?
 
Old 04-15-2014, 11:27 AM
 
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The flip side of this is if you shoot someone in your house in defense of your house and they don't die then you are liable for the damage.
Not at all. If I'm justified in using lethal force, I'm liable for nothing.

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Killing them eliminates the liability.
Dear Lord, I hope you're not armed. This has to be one of the most chilling statements ever on this board. If this how "the good guy with a gun" thinks, I'd say we're better off without.

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What if it was your house and they were there to take something very dear from you?
No possession of mine is worth a human life. Talk to those who have taken lives. Unless you're pathologically bereft of empathy, the human mind will punish you for the act of killing. Those aren't fun nightmares.

If someone comes to kill or use violence against me and my family, different matter. My stuff? Pshaw.

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And they had been there several times before.
Yeah, that changes matters. It's the second break-in that merits an extrajudicial execution.
 
Old 04-15-2014, 11:29 AM
 
Location: San Antonio, TX
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It seems this gentleman and a lot of other people are almost wishing this would happen so they would have free reign to execute someone after they were already shot and laying on the ground. It is pretty disturbing. Would make a great story to tell the grandkids though about the time you shot a woman, dragged her across the basement and shot her in the head just to make sure she was completely dead. Make sure to bake cookies and milk for that one.
 
Old 04-15-2014, 11:29 AM
 
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You have the right to protect yourself in the US of A. They want to take that away from you.
Dragging a bleeding teenager across the floor before taking her life hardly counts as "protecting yourself".
 
Old 04-15-2014, 11:34 AM
 
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The jurors will probably either declare a mistrial, they'll have a hard time reaching a unanimous consensus either way.
Adrenaline takes over and fight or flight response takes over. You break into a persons home or business or try to rob them and you are taking your life in your hands, people have to understand that.
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