How the GOP Bet on Failure And Lost (Pennsylvania, examples, versus)
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Then you're just deceiving yourself. The inability to appreciate the difference between Republican and libertarian political perspectives that are grounded in selfishness, and the liberal perspectives that seek to foster antiquated means of remediating society's inherent unfairness to workers, is pitiful. And while there are many of us liberals who would happily vote against antiquated protection for unions, there are only a small number of right-wingers who would vote against right-wing measures that would rip the social safety net to shreds.
Right-wingers of all stripes need to regrow the compassion that the petulantly egoistic and avaricious perspectives they've been trained to support have destroyed. Only then will they regain the ability to exhibit the basic human decency necessary to realized that the life and health of those most vulnerable in society is of higher priority than the personal comfort and luxury of people you like.
You are a sheep that buys into left wing rhetoric.
Both parties want Social Security in similar #s. Both parties think there are problems with social security in similar #s.
If Bill Clinton proposes privatization to support Social Security it is well-meaning and ignored. If GWBush brings up the same idea it is self-serving for Wall Street. If Paul Ryan proposes cuts for people NOT near retirement as a solution he is shoving granny off a cliff... You appear to eat this low-IQ logic up.
The Detroit Pension was already bailed out in 2005 with $1.4 Billion. The majority of the pension board is Union Leaders that give out bonuses that the original plan didn't call for. It is actually more caring to make the pension live within its means so as to be solvent for future workers...then it is to give out bonuses for votes. The Democrats are very self-serving by refusing to change who administers the pension.
Last edited by michiganmoon; 04-20-2014 at 06:44 AM..
Yes, self-serving. Placing the comfort and luxury of the people right-wingers like over the basic needs, life and health of people right-wingers don't care about. Self-serving. Immoral. Corrupt. Self-serving.
Thanks for asking.
I am back from my jog and yes, you won me over.
Democrats are so selfless when they insisted on Union Leaders running Detroit's Pension and giving out bonus payments that the plan could not afford. The votes that the Democrats were buying was based on altruistic means.
You democrats are so selfless when you bailed out the corrupt pension operation with other people's money. What is $1.4 Billion from a rich prosperous city like Detroit anyways? Those rich Detroiters won't have to pay it all back as they go through bankruptcy.
Democrats continue to be selfless as they gifted that $1.4 Billion of other people's money by giving out bonuses that weren't called for in the pension's plans -- so that the pension is once again for the 2nd time in just under 10 years in need of another bailout or loss of benefits to workers. Hey it is good for gaining votes, right?
Now Democrats shout with indignation as the mean and selfish Republicans want non-union control of the pension OR legally tied payments. It is very selfish to make this pension system self-sufficient when we can just take other people's money once again to buy votes.
I have converted to a Democrat after becoming convinced by your logic, I no longer think both parties are somewhat self-serving.
When did our president say he'd insure 30 million Americans 7 months into the exchanges? The rate of uninsured is down to 12.9%, the lowest in the history of Gallup-Healthways Survey.
He said he'd cover EVERY american..
And the rate is pretty much what it was when he took over as President..
your claim that its the lowest in history is laughable.
And the rate is pretty much what it was when he took over as President..
your claim that its the lowest in history is laughable.
You are using the Gallup Chart that is already dated from a different polling period. The more recent Gallup Poll shows the uninsured rate is 12.9% and arguably could be lower. Gallup has only been keeping track of the uninsured for 76 months or 6 years and 4 months and the 12.9% is the lowest they have reported. When Obama took office people were getting laid off left and right. Also part of the stimulus money was used to pay for peoples insurance under Cobra for nine months so when you say it was low when Obama took office thats because the government was picking up part of the tab to keep people insured.
You are using the Gallup Chart that is already dated from a different polling period. The more recent Gallup Poll shows the uninsured rate is 12.9% and arguably could be lower. Gallup has only been keeping track of the uninsured for 76 months or 6 years and 4 months and the 12.9% is the lowest they have reported. When Obama took office people were getting laid off left and right. Also part of the stimulus money was used to pay for peoples insurance under Cobra for nine months so when you say it was low when Obama took office thats because the government was picking up part of the tab to keep people insured.
About 7.26 million Americans have gotten health insurance coverage since late last year
That was AFTER over 5 million LOST health insurance...
And with 3-4 million of th newly insured individuals on medicaid, this means that simply expanding medicaid would mean more people would be insured than currently.
Futhermore
If the rate for the first half of April holds throughout the month, it will be the lowest monthly uninsured rate in 76 months of tracking.
And even the CBO says 30 million will go without insurance..
HOW DO YOU THINK THEY PAY FOR THE SUBSIDIES?
More people are being insured because THERE ARE JOBS...
There is no independent and 100% irrefutable proof that 8,000,000+ folks who previously had no health insurance now have it as a recent newspaper headline trumpeted, especially coming from a President who excels at lying as he's done multiple times throughout his career from his education to his professional career to his still 'evolving' disastrous stint in the White House.
Insofar as the ACA is concerned, the worst is yet to come, but good luck getting the lefties at MSNBC or anywhere else in the mainstream media to tell you the truth when corrupting this President's incompetence has been their #1 goal since he was sworn into office.
The fact that no one in this administration has also bothered to address the issue of the several million citizens who've lost their insurance thanks to the Anything-But-Affordable Care Act is yet another inconvenient truth that they've bothered to address but would rather ignore, with full compliance and an unflinching endorsement of same from the very corrupt media members who provide them cover on a daily basis.
Then you're just deceiving yourself. The inability to appreciate the difference between Republican and libertarian political perspectives that are grounded in selfishness, and the liberal perspectives that seek to foster antiquated means of remediating society's inherent unfairness to workers, is pitiful. And while there are many of us liberals who would happily vote against antiquated protection for unions, there are only a small number of right-wingers who would vote against right-wing measures that would rip the social safety net to shreds.
Right-wingers of all stripes need to regrow the compassion that the petulantly egoistic and avaricious perspectives they've been trained to support have destroyed. Only then will they regain the ability to exhibit the basic human decency necessary to realized that the life and health of those most vulnerable in society is of higher priority than the personal comfort and luxury of people you like.
Frothy emotional appeal not based in reality. Come back when you have some depth and weight to your opinions.
Ok, so tell me. Has Obamacare succeeded? And if so, what is your means of determining success?
you didnt reach 7,000,000 despite claims.
You had many people lose their providers and were forced into Obamacare.
You have people losing their doctors and now denied hospitals that they use to be able to go to
Families are NOT saving an average of $2500 as Obama claimed they would
You talked up tens of millions as the reason for this bill, yet you hardly signed up anyone who actually would have health care for the first time
So please, tell me where the success is? Is it just because it hasnt been repealed? If that is 'success' to you, then wow. Partisan bs is all that matters to you.
Well, they way normal people see it, 30,000,000 will be covered, versus the "lets say 10,000,000" are now covered (that's 2,000,000 more than suggested), you are still 20,000,000 million short...
Only a leftist sheeple would say a 33% rate is a win....
And yes, obama said "under my plan, ALL Americans will be covered.....
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