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What protocols? That when you walk into the door, a lady at a folding table with a big book in front of her, looks at your ID before you sign the book listing registered voters? That protocol?
Is voter fraud a problem? Has it changed the outcome of any elections? We already make sure our election process isn't WIDE open to fraud. We investigate and prosecute voter fraud already. And it is miniscule in our election process. Moreover, the voter fraud that does happen would not be impacted by Voter ID at the polls. So why require it at the polls? Unless it isn't voter fraud that's the problem. In which case, which LEGAL voters are impacted by Voter ID laws? When you look at it from that angle, it's clear that the "problem" that the GOP wants to solve isn't voter fraud at all.
Your attitude is amazing.
Voter fraud isn't a problem because it's so miniscule that it doesn't affect elections.
But we have so many voters with no way to identify themselves in a society which requires identification to go to school or get a job or open a bank account that putting in Voter ID requirements shouldn't be in place.
Do have any concept of how utterly ridiculous you sound?
Voter fraud isn't a problem because it's so miniscule that it doesn't affect elections.
But we have so many voters with no way to identify themselves in a society which requires identification to go to school or get a job or open a bank account that putting in Voter ID requirements shouldn't be in place.
Do have any concept of how utterly ridiculous you sound?
I sound reasonable.
I didn't say voter fraud isn't a problem. I didn't say voter fraud shouldn't be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. I DO say that in practically EVERY instance where Voter ID proponents bring up voter fraud, that even those proponents admit that voter ID would not have prevented the fraud. If your solution doesn't address the problem, then it isn't a good solution. And every study shows that voter ID laws do disenfranchise some people. Frankly, I'm more concerned with disenfranchising people in a republic. That does more harm than a few instances of voter fraud which have never been shown to actually change the outcome of an election.
I didn't say voter fraud isn't a problem. I didn't say voter fraud shouldn't be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. I DO say that in practically EVERY instance where Voter ID proponents bring up voter fraud, that even those proponents admit that voter ID would not have prevented the fraud. If your solution doesn't address the problem, then it isn't a good solution. And every study shows that voter ID laws do disenfranchise some people. Frankly, I'm more concerned with disenfranchising people in a republic. That does more harm than a few instances of voter fraud which have never been shown to actually change the outcome of an election.
Good statement, DC.
We must recall that the 'Jim Crow" laws passed by the 'southern states'. were for the purpose of preventing 'minorities' from voting. Poll taxes, literacy laws, etc.
Little has changed. There are those whom are afraid of the 'rise' of minorities, believing that said minorities only vote for one party (Democratic). Hence, in Texas, Governor Perry and his creatures in the legislature have been busy gerrymandering and passing laws to 'protect the integrity of the vote'.
I happen to believe that the 'right to vote' is one of our more sacred rights, although it is not specifically spelled out in the Constitution.
There must be 'compelling' reasons to deny a person's right to vote. For instance, a few years ago, a WWII vet was denied his right to vote because he did not have his ID with him. He was registered, but had no ID with him. It was appalling (Google it).
The thought that 'illegals' are trying to vote is, to me, laughable. Those illegals I have known have no desire to vote: not only because they are not a citizen, but because it would, they think, put them 'above the radar' (i.e., they would be caught).
I realize that my statement of 'those illegals I have known' is anecdotal. Yet, that is my experience. Back in my youth I worked at an iron foundry, where most of the workers were 'illegals'. To this day, my yard is, apparently, mowed by 'illegals'. The people whom replaced my roof (two years ago) were probably 'illegal'. Yet, they earned their pay, and I doubt very much that they tried to vote (although I cannot say so for sure, of course).
I happen to believe that the 'right to vote' is one of our more sacred rights, although it is not specifically spelled out in the Constitution.
Well, the 2nd amendment is very specifically spelled out. Yet, you wish I have some ID and jump through 3 hoops, while standing on my head... just to get my hands on a gun and get my rights back.
Voting is an unconditional citizen right. Voting can only be voided by a criminal who has been tried and convicted (due process).
The right of United States' citizens to vote is directly stated in four distinct Constitutional Amendments.
Driving, buying liquor, or going through airport security are not citizen rights. The difference is explicit.
Bearing arms is a right and yet governments CHARGE for permits to bear arms, that's clearly a violation of the peoples rights.
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