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I looked at what was posted, some, and it was slanted research which was used to validate the theoretical arguments. I provided an actual example where steps were taken to ensure there was no disenfranchisement and it was still claimed by people with the same theories as those that did this research.
You provided an anecdote. Worse, (and ignoring that the plural of anecdote is not data) your anecdote not only fails to challenge the research I pointed you too, it agrees with that research completely. You would have known that had you actually "looked at what was posted, some." But apparently, you did not bother.
I provided you with dozens of scientific, data based research papers. You can pretend all you want that they are "slanted" if that makes you feel better. Your problem is that if were merely a case of "slanted research" you should be able to come up with a comparable bibliography of research supporting your position as well.
I'll wait.
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Care to comment on that? Just to refresh your memory on the example I used.
Sure. Had you really looked at the research, you would have not offered the facts that the IDs are free or that transportation was provided as somehow ameliorating the actual situation. They don't. The costs associated with complying with a Voter ID law are far more extensive than just the cost of the ID or transportation to get it.
And in the end, it doesn't solve any real problems anyway.
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Please point out where the disenfranchisement lies in that plan.
I could link again to the research, but you've already shown you have no intention of reading it.
You provided an anecdote. Worse, (and ignoring that the plural of anecdote is not data) your anecdote not only fails to challenge the research I pointed you too, it agrees with that research completely. You would have known that had you actually "looked at what was posted, some." But apparently, you did not bother.
I provided you with dozens of scientific, data based research papers. You can pretend all you want that they are "slanted" if that makes you feel better. Your problem is that if were merely a case of "slanted research" you should be able to come up with a comparable bibliography of research supporting your position as well.
I'll wait.
Sure. Had you really looked at the research, you would have not offered the facts that the IDs are free or that transportation was provided as somehow ameliorating the actual situation. They don't. The costs associated with complying with a Voter ID law are far more extensive than just the cost of the ID or transportation to get it.
And in the end, it doesn't solve any real problems anyway.
I could link again to the research, but you've already shown you have no intention of reading it.
You know where to go if you change your mind.
An actual example is asking you to point out the problem is laws as they roll out. I did look at some of your studies but no, I was not going to go through all of that. Is there one you would like to point to that would address my question about free id and free transportation?
An actual example is asking you to point out the problem is laws as they roll out. I did look at some of your studies but no, I was not going to go through all of that. Is there one you would like to point to that would address my question about free id and free transportation?
I feel if people can afford a car, cell phone, a tv they can afford a drivers license or ID.
Better yet how about getting a taxpayer funded program in place to provide free identification to all US citizens. Let’s get this program to also pay for assistance to be provided in getting the required supporting documents – transportation, copies of birth certificates, notaries for notarized affidavits, etc. Whatever it takes.
I feel if people can afford a car, cell phone, a tv they can afford a drivers license or ID.
Better yet how about getting a taxpayer funded program in place to provide free identification to all US citizens. Let’s get this program to also pay for assistance to be provided in getting the required supporting documents – transportation, copies of birth certificates, notaries for notarized affidavits, etc. Whatever it takes.
It doesn't matter how you "feel."
It's unconstitutional to impose a cost or an unreasonable burden on a citizen to vote. Period.
What is required to get that ID? If you don't have it, how much does it cost to get? Who reimburses working stiffs who have to take off work to go to wherever you get the ID?
Yes, yes, I know the standard response to this is "They SHOULD have their birth certificate. I have mine!!!!"
Or "It's not that big of a deal … because I say so."
What else have you got to prove it's not a burden to the poor, the elderly and young people?
It's free. Working stiffs can go on a lunch break. Those without ID were still to be allowed to vote with their identification verified later through other means.
It is a small burden, they have to do something. I had to do it too - only I had to pay for it and get myself there.
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