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I feel if people can afford a car, cell phone, a tv they can afford a drivers license or ID.
Better yet how about getting a taxpayer funded program in place to provide free identification to all US citizens. Let’s get this program to also pay for assistance to be provided in getting the required supporting documents – transportation, copies of birth certificates, notaries for notarized affidavits, etc. Whatever it takes.
Ah! The National ID! Senator Rand Paul is against such:
An actual example is asking you to point out the problem is laws as they roll out.
And since we all both know mere anecdotes are worthless as evidence, I've already done better by providing you with more than three dozen research publications that answer exactly that question.
Why are you running away from them?
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I did look at some of your studies but no, I was not going to go through all of that.
The fact that you are too slothful to understand the actual research regarding a subject you insist on pretending to understand does not obligate me to hold your hand.
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Is there one you would like to point to that would address my question about free id and free transportation?
Since you are allergic to real research, perhaps something a little less academically challenging will help.
I feel if people can afford a car, cell phone, a tv they can afford a drivers license or ID.
"Affording" the ID is only part of the barriers these laws create for otherwise eligible voters.
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Better yet how about getting a taxpayer funded program in place to provide free identification to all US citizens. Let’s get this program to also pay for assistance to be provided in getting the required supporting documents – transportation, copies of birth certificates, notaries for notarized affidavits, etc. Whatever it takes.
The costs associated with creating such a system are huge, and in return there is essentially no pay-off whatsoever. It would be a vast expenditure to (allegedly) solve an imaginary problem.
And since we all both know mere anecdotes are worthless as evidence, I've already done better by providing you with more than three dozen research publications that answer exactly that question.
Why are you running away from them?
The fact that you are too slothful to understand the actual research regarding a subject you insist on pretending to understand does not obligate me to hold your hand.
Since you are allergic to real research, perhaps something a little less academically challenging will help.
“We found the ability to get documents isn’t that simple. The documents are costly for many, many voters and there are serious transportation barriers for many voters. We just found really significant problems.”
People that did not get ID were still to be allowed to vote with their identification verified later.
Free transportation was provided.
"the Brennan Center report found nearly half a million eligible voters in the 10 states do not have access to a vehicle and live more than 10 miles from their nearest state ID-issuing office."
Free transportation was provided.
"Voters who do not have their birth certificates or marriage licenses may have to pay additional costs because those documents are required to obtain a photo ID in some cases."
Again, they were still to be allowed vote with verification later.
Your link is about the problems that exist before someone who isn't so easily stumped actually puts a brain to work and figures out a remedy, but the claims do not account for the actual remedies put in place.
“We found the ability to get documents isn’t that simple. The documents are costly for many, many voters and there are serious transportation barriers for many voters. We just found really significant problems.”
People that did not get ID were still to be allowed to vote with their identification verified later.
Free transportation was provided.
"the Brennan Center report found nearly half a million eligible voters in the 10 states do not have access to a vehicle and live more than 10 miles from their nearest state ID-issuing office."
Free transportation was provided.
"Voters who do not have their birth certificates or marriage licenses may have to pay additional costs because those documents are required to obtain a photo ID in some cases."
Again, they were still allowed to be allowed vote with verification later.
Your link is about the problems that exist before someone who isn't so easily stumped actually puts a brain to work and figures our a remedy, but the claims do not account for the actual remedies put in place.
The argument that because you can figure something out, get the time off work, or afford something is irrelevant.
Just because you think someone should do something, doesn't mean squat legally or constitutionally. I find it most puzzling that you haven't grasped this yet.
Oddly inconsistent indeed. Your link states in part:
"Paul did say that he supports voter ID efforts as a minimal standard and noted that you have to present an ID to enter government offices"
You certainly do not need an ID to enter the Federal building where I work. I show an ID (as an employee), but that is to avoid going through the x-ray machine.
"Forcing Americans to carry around an identification care to affirmatively prove citizenship offends our basic concept of freedom".
I'm actually in favor of a National Voter ID Card if it's done right. So many other countries do it because they feel ID to vote is important. Of course, I'm not a libertarian, I'm a conservative. To me, this would solve several problems, including the problems at the registration point where many states do not require people to prove citizenship. With National Voter ID, people would be providing proof of citizenship and identity all in one.
The argument that because you can figure something out, get the time off work, or afford something is irrelevant.
Just because you think someone should do something, doesn't mean squat legally or constitutionally. I find it most puzzling that you haven't grasped this yet.
Okay, then don't. Show up and vote as allowed and your identity will be verified later through other means - as the law allowed.
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