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Old 05-12-2014, 06:38 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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There goes the innocent till proven guilty....

What article are you reading?
What is your point?
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Old 05-12-2014, 06:39 PM
 
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There goes the innocent till proven guilty....

What article are you reading?
But prosecutors argue that Kaarma used his wife, Janelle Pflager, to stage an intricate trap to corner and ambush the teen.

Pflager told investigators that she carefully placed her purse so that it can be seen through the open door of the garage — which was rigged with motion sensors and a baby monitor, court papers obtained by the Missoulian show.

Once Diren Dede and another suspect triggered the alarm, Kaarma ran out the front door of the house with a shotgun and approached the garage from outside to box the bandits inside, prosecutors say.


17 year olds do dumb stuff... they're kids. But this guy trapped them in the garage and tried to shoot both of them?? WTF??

No, the student wasn't doing the right thing, but the shooter was obviously looking to kill someone.
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Old 05-12-2014, 06:39 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas,Nevada
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The kid entered the home, he did not break in. Yes the kid was definitely in the wrong I completely agree that he should have been reported to LE for illegally entering the property. He did not break down a window, he walked into an open garage and he did not deserved to die for that offense.
Did he make a threatening move towards the property owner?

The property owner was in fear for his life and felt that fear to the point where he acted in defense of it.
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Old 05-12-2014, 06:40 PM
 
Location: Meggett, SC
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The kid entered the home, he did not break in. Yes the kid was definitely in the wrong I completely agree that he should have been reported to LE for illegally entering the property. He did not break down a window, he walked into an open garage and he did not deserved to die for that offense.
Hard to say. Like I said, you have a criminal, on someone's property illegally, with the intent to steal. Then you have the homeowner, who has the right to defend his home from criminals. From what I've seen, I do have an issue with the intent of the homeowner. That being said, I have no issue whatsoever with a homeowner protecting his home, with a firearm, from people who are on it illegally and there to do harm - and yes, stealing from a homeowner is doing harm.
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Old 05-12-2014, 06:41 PM
 
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Did he make a threatening move towards the property owner?

The property owner was in fear for his life and felt that fear to the point where he acted in defense of it.
So fearful he set the whole thing up...
So fearful of a 17 year old with no weapon...what a big man.
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Old 05-12-2014, 06:41 PM
 
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First of all he didn't "break in" he walked into the garage that was purposely left open with bait and he shot him 4 times without one warning. If that is the threshold for killing we can be prepared for many more.
From you own link....

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bleeding from two shotgun blast wounds
Care to lie anymore?
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Old 05-12-2014, 06:41 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas,Nevada
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But prosecutors argue that Kaarma used his wife, Janelle Pflager, to stage an intricate trap to corner and ambush the teen.

Pflager told investigators that she carefully placed her purse so that it can be seen through the open door of the garage — which was rigged with motion sensors and a baby monitor, court papers obtained by the Missoulian show.

Once Diren Dede and another suspect triggered the alarm, Kaarma ran out the front door of the house with a shotgun and approached the garage from outside to box the bandits inside, prosecutors say.


17 year olds do dumb stuff... they're kids. But this guy LOCKED him the garage and then shot him?? WTF??

No, the student wasn't doing the right thing, but the shooter was obviously looking to kill someone.
Prove it.
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Old 05-12-2014, 06:41 PM
 
Location: Allendale MI
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Hard to say. \ Like I said, you have a criminal, on someone's property illegally,\ with the intent to steal. Then you have the homeowner, who has the right to defend his home from criminals. From what I've seen, I do have an issue with the intent of the homeowner. That being said, I have no issue whatsoever with a homeowner protecting his home, with a firearm, from people who are on it illegally and there to do harm - and yes, stealing from a homeowner is doing harm.
That can never be determined now.
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Old 05-12-2014, 06:41 PM
 
Location: Stasis
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This is damning:

http://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townn...6119b4.pdf.pdf

http://www.amerika-forum.de/threads/...schossen/page5

"....The above named defendant [Kaarma] committed the offense of deliberate homicide" - Deputy County Attorney

"Shortly after midnight, they heard a sensor alert indicating someone was in their driveway and then a sensor alert that someone had entered their garage. Pflager pulled up images from a video monitor with a live stream from the garage and observed a male inside the garage.

He [Kaarma] stated he didn’t want the male to get away and that he wanted him to be caught. He stated that the police can’t catch burglars in the act.
Pflager [wife] stated that after Kaarma reached the open garage door, she heard Kaarma say “hey, hey” and heard him chamber a shell into the shotgun. Pflager then heard the male in the garage say “hey” or “wait” and then Kaarma fired two shots into the dark garage. She realized how dark it was and went to turn on the exterior lights. Before she turned the lights on, he fired two more shots.
Pflager told Missoula City Police Officer Olds that they had been burglarized two times within the last three weeks. She said that she placed a purse with personal belongings that she had cataloged in the garage “so that they would take it.”
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Old 05-12-2014, 06:42 PM
 
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What is your point?
Duh...innocent till proven guilty....
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