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Old 06-02-2014, 02:16 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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No you've missed the point entirely.
I do not deny at all the need to conserve and protect the environment or get away from fossil fuels.
I just hold a high degree of skepticism at the alarmist predictions and the notion of "settled science"
I hold a high degree of skepticism that modern science has not been contaminated with politics, activism, groupthink and dogma. Hardly a healthy environment for SCIENCE to flourish a new field that we don't know nearly as much about as our collective arrogance would have us believe we do.
So what? Do you think even if politics, activism, groupthink and dogma are involved that we should all just ignore the fact that the planet is heating up more rapidly than it has in the past? At the rate the earth is warming species will not have time to adapt.
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Old 06-02-2014, 02:20 PM
 
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So what? Do you think even if politics, activism, groupthink and dogma are involved that we should all just ignore the fact that the planet is heating up more rapidly than it has in the past? At the rate the earth is warming species will not have time to adapt.
So say the alarmists and the fearmongers. It is not a fact or settled science either.
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Old 06-02-2014, 03:13 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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So say the alarmists and the fearmongers. It is not a fact or settled science either.
So you are actually denying that the temperature is rising, regardless of the reason? Are you daft?
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Old 06-02-2014, 04:52 PM
 
Location: Va. Beach
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of course it has, by the ice shelf melting its putting more water in the ocean. and the extra water take longer to heat up, which the heated water is fuel for the hurricanes. the extra water is actually cooling off the oceans
If the ice shelf has been melting so much, why has the antarctic shelf increased faster than ever?

NASA Announces New Record Growth Of Antarctic Sea Ice Extent | Watts Up With That?

Arctic Sea Ice News and Analysis | Sea ice data updated daily with one-day lag

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Arctic sea ice extent for April 2014 averaged 14.14 million square kilometers (5.46 million square miles). This is 610,000 square kilometers (236,000 square miles) below the 1981 to 2010 average extent, and 270,000 square kilometers (104,000 square miles) above the record April monthly low, which occurred in 2007,
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Old 06-02-2014, 05:01 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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You would know a lot more about global warming if you stopped reading Anthony Watts nonsense...Try to keep up.

The huge West Antarctic ice sheet is starting a glacially slow collapse in an unstoppable way, two new studies show. Alarmed scientists say that means even more sea level rise than they figured.

Huge Antarctic ice sheet collapsing - Technology & Science - CBC News
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Old 06-02-2014, 05:01 PM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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What is more damaging? A bad hurricane or 2 years of severe drought over 60% of the country?
What's worse? A bad Mississippi flood or a Mississippi river that is so low barges cannot travel up or down it?

No single category of storms nor seasonal changes, nor storm frequency and severity tell the entire picture of a changing climate worldwide. The less dramatic events that affect big regions of the nation are a bigger danger than any single type of storm.
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Old 06-02-2014, 07:44 PM
 
Location: Someplace Wonderful
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You would know a lot more about global warming if you stopped reading Anthony Watts nonsense...Try to keep up.

The huge West Antarctic ice sheet is starting a glacially slow collapse in an unstoppable way, two new studies show. Alarmed scientists say that means even more sea level rise than they figured.

Huge Antarctic ice sheet collapsing - Technology & Science - CBC News
In general, ice floating on the open ocean, when it melts, has no effect on sea levels. This is what's known as PROVEN science!!!

If the ice in question is entirely over land, that is a different story.

The article in question talks about:

The recent reports from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change don't include melt from West Antarctic or Greenland in their projections and this would mean far more sea level rise, said Sridhar Anandakrishnan, professor of geosciences at Pennsylvania State University. That means sea level rise by the year 2100 is likely to be about three feet, he said.

Even while the West Antarctic ice sheet is melting, the much larger East Antarctic ice sheet seems stable because it is cooler, Scambos said.

Climate change studies show Antarctica is a complicated continent in how it reacts. For example, just last month Antarctic sea ice levels — not the ice on the continent — reached a record in how far they extended. That has little or no relation to the larger more crucial ice sheet, Scambos and other scientists say.


Lots of things can happen between now and 2100, you know. Like several winters of freezing cold and record snowfalls and ice sheet expansion. Happened at the outset of the Little Ice Age. No reason it cant happen again.
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Old 06-02-2014, 08:06 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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In general, ice floating on the open ocean, when it melts, has no effect on sea levels. This is what's known as PROVEN science!!!

If the ice in question is entirely over land, that is a different story.

The article in question talks about:

The recent reports from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change don't include melt from West Antarctic or Greenland in their projections and this would mean far more sea level rise, said Sridhar Anandakrishnan, professor of geosciences at Pennsylvania State University. That means sea level rise by the year 2100 is likely to be about three feet, he said.

Even while the West Antarctic ice sheet is melting, the much larger East Antarctic ice sheet seems stable because it is cooler, Scambos said.

Climate change studies show Antarctica is a complicated continent in how it reacts. For example, just last month Antarctic sea ice levels — not the ice on the continent — reached a record in how far they extended. That has little or no relation to the larger more crucial ice sheet, Scambos and other scientists say.


Lots of things can happen between now and 2100, you know. Like several winters of freezing cold and record snowfalls and ice sheet expansion. Happened at the outset of the Little Ice Age. No reason it cant happen again.
What does "a glacially slow collapse in an unstoppable way"
mean to you?
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Old 06-02-2014, 08:16 PM
 
Location: New Orleans, La. USA
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Meanwhile, our Idiot in Chief in the white house continues to hype his lies in an attempt to alarm the American people so he can expand government power even more; “We don’t have to choose between the health of our economy and the health of our children,” he said in his weekly address, which was recorded yesterday at Children’s National Medical Center in Washington. “As president, and as a parent, I refuse to condemn our children to a planet that’s beyond fixing.”

But his lies have nothing to do with the truth;

The U.S. has been extraordinarily fortunate lately: we have not been witness to the fury of a major hurricane (category 3 or higher) landfall since October 2005 when Wilma hit southwest Florida as a Category 3 storm. (Other countries have not had such good fortune these past few years. )

Atlantic hurricane season begins Sunday: Will record streak without major hurricane landfall end?
How can you title your thread "Global Warming has reduced hurricanes", when your source does not even mention global warming?

Your source says "One of the main reasons that seasonal forecasters are anticipating reduced activity is a high probability of a strong El Niño forming." (El Nino is stopping hurricanes not global warming.)
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Old 06-02-2014, 08:37 PM
 
Location: New Orleans, La. USA
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Exactly! Ask any statistician. How can you make conclusions about 10,000 years of climate history, let alone use those conclusions to predict the future, with only 40-50 years data points tops?

Yet that is what the AGW crowd does. ALL THE TIME!!!
Actually we know the Earths temperature 4.4 billion years ago, back then the Earth had a surface temperature of about 446 degrees °F.
Hadean - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


We have fairly accurate temperature records going back 500 million years.
Geologic temperature record - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


And we have very accurate temperature records from 1880-2014.
Temperature record - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


The following link explains how we know Earths past temperatures.
http://www.giss.nasa.gov/research/briefs/schmidt_01/
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