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Old 06-03-2014, 09:36 AM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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Originally Posted by Little-Acorn
What Federal law, exactly, says I cannot build a semiauto AK-47 for my own personal use out of one of these kits with a flat template that I fold into a receiver, and never put a serial number on?

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You can build it, but try proving to ATF that 80% of your parts come from the US.
So it is legal after all, to build a semiauto AK from one of these kits for my personal use without a serial number as I said, if 80% of the parts come from the U.S.?
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Old 06-03-2014, 10:06 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Yes there is a difference. These guns have no serial number. The serial # is a great place to start back tracking a gun crime.

A post or so ago i was attacked for wanting information about these type arms. When you hid stuff the the general public is smart enough to catch it.Thus your credibility takes a hit. What do you have to hide about this type arm?

Once again i tell you that my balls are big enough. Any thugs trying to get me i hope to make very sorry. I don't sit around hoping a confrontation will occur. I have captured a thug that broke into my farm house and i have survived to attempted armed robberies no worse for wear. Why do i need bigger balls?

I own several fully automatic firearms.
I have not come looking for you.

The only law being broken is the law we the people, placed upon them the government.... Period.
Shall not be infringed, is pretty powerful.
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Old 06-03-2014, 10:16 AM
 
Location: MS
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Yes there is a difference. These guns have no serial number. The serial # is a great place to start back tracking a gun crime.

A post or so ago i was attacked for wanting information about these type arms. When you hid stuff the the general public is smart enough to catch it.Thus your credibility takes a hit. What do you have to hide about this type arm?

Once again i tell you that my balls are big enough. Any thugs trying to get me i hope to make very sorry. I don't sit around hoping a confrontation will occur. I have captured a thug that broke into my farm house and i have survived to attempted armed robberies no worse for wear. Why do i need bigger balls?
How often are guns left at the crime scene?

Maryland has full registration along with ballistics data for each gun sold. Cost them hundreds of millions of dollars and it has helped solve less than 10 crimes in over 10 years. Had that money been spent on police on the street, it would have deterred more crime.
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Old 06-03-2014, 10:31 AM
 
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This Loophole needs to be closed. Great way for a criminal or a mental case to get a rifle.


I Built This AK-47. It's Legal and Totally Untraceable. | Mother Jones
When you can get the gang bangers to obey the law....then we can talk, until then....
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Old 06-03-2014, 10:34 AM
 
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When you can get the gang bangers to obey the law....then we can talk, until then....

Get your head on Chuck! Gang bangers are just loving this. Totally legal to build and no serial number to file off. This is why we need to prevent them from getting the parts and building a gang militia.
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Old 06-03-2014, 10:43 AM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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The serial # is a great place to start back tracking a gun crime.
It's also a great place to start committing a gun crime - the crime (by government) of tracking and eventually restricting law-abiding gun owners.

With our present government, the existence of serial numbers on guns, creates more problems than it solves (though it does solve some). I see far more reasons to own guns without serial numbers, than to own guns with them.

The overall impact, recommends against owning guns with serial numbers. And so I concur that it's better to own guns that don't have them.
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Old 06-03-2014, 10:49 AM
 
Location: Rural Central Texas
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Yes there is a difference. These guns have no serial number. The serial # is a great place to start back tracking a gun crime.
Please explain how a serial number contributes to tracking gun crime. As far as i am aware the existence of a serial number contributes nothing to forensic evidence at a scene. It is only after the gun is retrieved that a serial number is obtainable.

It can be used to connect to the last identified owner, but that does not mean the last owner has any connection to the crime, only to the gun.
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Old 06-03-2014, 10:52 AM
 
Location: Rural Central Texas
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It's also a great place to start committing a gun crime - the crime (by government) of tracking and eventually restricting law-abiding gun owners.

With our present government, the existence of serial numbers on guns, creates more problems than it solves (though it does solve some). I see far more reasons to own guns without serial numbers, than to own guns with them.

The overall impact, recommends against owning guns with serial numbers. And so I concur that it's better to own guns that don't have them.
Bad Idea. Possession of a gun without a serial number is a big clue that it probably was obtained illegally or is owned for the intended purpose of committing a crime.


Much better to simply private party purchase your serialized guns where registration is not required. Then you have a legal gun that is not recorded anywhere and does not trace back to you. Let the original owner try to remember who he sold it to.
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Old 06-03-2014, 10:55 AM
 
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Please explain how a serial number contributes to tracking gun crime. As far as i am aware the existence of a serial number contributes nothing to forensic evidence at a scene. It is only after the gun is retrieved that a serial number is obtainable.

It can be used to connect to the last identified owner, but that does not mean the last owner has any connection to the crime, only to the gun.
John John John we buy you books and buy you books and you just keep eating the pages! Ask any cop and they will tell you that getting a serial number from a gun is a great piece of evidence. The last owner might have been murdered by the guy that has his gun.
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Old 06-03-2014, 11:22 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Get your head on Chuck! Gang bangers are just loving this. Totally legal to build and no serial number to file off. This is why we need to prevent them from getting the parts and building a gang militia.

For some reason I get the feeling there is a feeling these homemade weapons are free and gangbangers like to perform labor.
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