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General welfare. The government has a role in helping create a society that we all want to live in rather then some mad max thunderdome future. It helps us organize large projects.
Make up your mind, is it broke, or soon to be broke?
Heres a clue-no its not broke. Its current drawing down of massive reserves could be easily fixed by removing the income cap on the tax (currently it only applies to poor and middle class folks as its on ONLY the first 111K of income)
Im not totally sure what you are trying to say here.....
Free economics? Define that, and explain how it will provide a pretty close to steady income..
General welfare as per the constitution does not mean FOOD stamps.
The government is not around to organize large projects.. it is to protect liberty, the rights of free individuals and the protection of which is granted for a free exercise against the government when they go beyond this basic rights. The problem is the loose power government is using on its citizens is limiting freedom and creating a society of uneducated, (public schools), food stamp, TV watching idiots who know nothing of liberty and what rights they have in this country and what the government can't do.
70 trillion in entitlements are coming by 2035 with SS so unless you can find this magic 70 trillion its broke, but since we have 35 years at this rate its broke. This number is the government numbers look it up.
Read some books on Ron Paul economics and free economic concepts.
Most people died hundreds and in the 1700s and 1800s of year ago because of DISEASES and of which come over from immigrants, polo, etc etc in other countries and this went on in most countries of that time.
...and you proof that most deaths were caused by immigrants bringing diseases?
Where there no diseases in the US and they all came from outside? (at least the lethal ones)
Also, polo is not a disease.
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Churches and other groups did more for the sick then governments ever did for the time. The history of welfare while like many things in history is often the promotion of FDR of which this website is promoting the need for public welfare government programs. In some way sure some programs were a good thing but that does not mean that need to be around FOREVER. What is next should we all be on welfare because the government will take care of us what is acceptable 4-6 americans are on welfare someday would be the acceptable number that welfare is working. Welfare food stamps is breading the disease of dependancy and at this point is not about a simple 3 month hardship its a lifestyle for most.
Oh, so the history of welfare thing I linked is an FDR run conspiracy. Poor houses didn't really exist
Plus he died in 1945.
Some people really intended for help to the poor to be around forever, but it wasn't that America would simply stop helping those in need so they just die out. The goal was to make sure people didn't need them anymore because people wouldn't be poor enough to need them. There is such a difference in the way those two would come about I simply can't believe anyone would mix that up.
...and you proof that most deaths were caused by immigrants bringing diseases?
Where there no diseases in the US and they all came from outside? (at least the lethal ones)
Also, polo is not a disease.
Oh, so the history of welfare thing I linked is an FDR run conspiracy. Poor houses didn't really exist
Plus he died in 1945.
Some people really intended for help to the poor to be around forever, but it wasn't that America would simply stop helping those in need so they just die out. The goal was to make sure people didn't need them anymore because people wouldn't be poor enough to need them. There is such a difference in the way those two would come about I simply can't believe anyone would mix that up.
Tyfoid, yellow fever, small pox we had a plenty here and coming over from Europe.
We had to major political groups in this country the democrat socialist party of which were with FDR in the 30's the NEW deal and the great society in the 60's of LBJ. These 2 programs have given us these current programs seems to me we will have POOR people.. The war on the poor in LBJ great society to remove POOR conditions. how is that going? This is nothing more then moving money from one group to another and the people who have the money can't move up and or help the poor because the government already has their hands in our pockets!
The socialist were well at work on the streets in labor unions in 1901 to 1912 building labor union supporters after WW1 and ideas and supporting democrats at the time to work with and or unfused those parties princples. The poor in this country have cell phones and cars, TV's, clothes and some how they are STARVING?
You want to see starving people go to a country that has their government take care of them, we send billions in food aid and medical aid to africa and you will see REAL starving people and actual hunger. Freaking Americans who work at mcdonalds, get food stamps, have 5 kids to feed and are not starving but I can agree they are not living the american dream. But if you have 5 kids and you working at mcdonalds and think at even 15 per hour you going to feed those 5 kids you better review how you went from 3, 4, 5 kids and your life chooses because you continue to have that food stamp program.
I wonder when the irish came here and had 10 kids how did they are get feed. What great programs were around and or why did the irish have 10 kids would be the better question. FYI i'm part irish, seems like some of my family didnt die from hunger long before FDR came around.
I am prepared for the day I lose my job, I save and I save food and I grow a garden to sustain my life, America had farmers, farms, every house had gardens, places to work to grow food instead but we have twinkes and cake on food stamps. Maybe with these food stamp programs they should let them see how people on a budget have to pay for food at the store and work for it. Or take them to farms and make them plant the FOOD they take. Oh that is right the illlegals already do that. So they are doing a good function then. I am prepared to live on this planet as independent from the people who go thru life needing governments to run their lives lets see when a economic disaster really happens at the hands of this trust government where will they get FOOD then?
Like I said they will be animals when hungry and that is why they create these programs to keep them in line.
General welfare as per the constitution does not mean FOOD stamps.
The government is not around to organize large projects.. it is to protect liberty, the rights of free individuals and the protection of which is granted for a free exercise against the government when they go beyond this basic rights. The problem is the loose power government is using on its citizens is limiting freedom and creating a society of uneducated, (public schools), food stamp, TV watching idiots who know nothing of liberty and what rights they have in this country and what the government can't do.
70 trillion in entitlements are coming by 2035 with SS so unless you can find this magic 70 trillion its broke, but since we have 35 years at this rate its broke. This number is the government numbers look it up.
Read some books on Ron Paul economics and free economic concepts.
Ahh theres your problem right there.
Look you're reading propoganda. Thats very apparent from your non-factually based posts so far.
Welcome to 2010, its a LOT different from when our country was founded, in many ways better, in many ways worse.
General welfare as per the constitution can in fact mean food stamps. Turns out having people not starving to death, or being malnourished is a massive benefit to our country. The malnourishment part especially makes a huge difference in IQ.
The government is around to do things that you describe, but the general welfare covers a large amount of things, and guess what? Most people like being in a country where we do great things. Weird huh? Oddly enough people like you don't seem to want to go to other countries where you have all these freedoms, because you recognize that those countries are dysfunctional.
Public schools are uneducated? I don't know, I went to a excellent school growing up in some areas. (others were very very bad). But your solution is? ahhhh probably vouchers. Tell you what lousiana is doing some excellent research on that, lets check in on that in 6-8 years. For now lets just disagree-but I think Louisiana will answer that one-and if its works better...we should do it.
TV watching idiots. Uh huh. Do you watch TV? Like say....fox news?
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70 trillion in entitlements are coming by 2035 with SS so unless you can find this magic 70 trillion its broke, but since we have 35 years at this rate its broke. This number is the government numbers look it up.
You're mixing and matching a ton of things. Social security is separate from the entitlements you list, and has their own budget. Their running out of money because we decided to have a ton of births, then less. In fact the lowering of the birth rate is a major issue. solutions for this exist via increasing the birth rate, or increasing the cap on social security.
OMG 70 trillion! It sounds like a lot. But our GDP is currently around 16 trillion, and increasing slowly. in the next 21 years, thats 336 trillion! OMG! and we need to spend 70 trillion over that time period! But wait...thats 70 trillion...not adjusted for inflation....hmmm...so its probably closer to 55 trillion in todays dollars, out of 336 trillion.
Amazing how thats not as scary if you look at the numbers....
And that assumes of course that nothing major like say:
fusion power
space mining (google planetary resources)
etc etc
come about to increase our countries income even faster.
Heres a clue-your scare mongering using incredibly slanted data by the way...is nonsense.
1. the FED
2. The Government
3. Citizens who vote for the government and the FED to follow the rule of corruption.
Free market economics and constitutional government would have no lobbyist and government should follow constitutional law and the limited powers they have. They currently dont and havent for some time because some do gooder socialist and pro business corrupted republicans and democrats are running the country.
That's an interesting alliance you've identified "do gooder socialist and pro business corrupted republicans and democrats". That pretty much includes all Americans except for the embittered Tea Partyers, which seems to fit your ideas.
Tyfoid, yellow fever, small pox we had a plenty here and coming over from Europe.
We had to major political groups in this country the democrat socialist party of which were with FDR in the 30's the NEW deal and the great society in the 60's of LBJ. These 2 programs have given us these current programs seems to me we will have POOR people.. The war on the poor to remove it.. how is that going? This is nothing more then moving money from one group to another and the people who have the money can move up and or help the poor because the government already has their hands in our pockets!
The socialist were well at work on the streets in labor unions in 1901 to 1912 building labor union supporters after WW1 and ideas and supporting democrats at the time to work with and or unfused those parties princples. The poor in this country have cell phones and cars, TV's, clothes and some how they are STARVING?
You want to see starving people go to a country that has their government take care of them, we send billions in food aid and medical aid to africa and you will see REAL starving people and actual hunger. Freaking Americans who work at mcdonalds, get food stamps, have 5 kids to feed and are not starving but I can agree they are not living the american dream. But if you have 5 kids and you working at mcdonalds and think at even 15 per hour you going to feed those 5 kids you better review how you went from 3, 4, 5 kids and your life chooses because you continue to have that food stamp program.
I wonder when the irish came here and had 10 kids how did they are get feed. What great programs were around and or why did the irish have 10 kids would be the better question. FYI i'm part irish, seems like some of my family didnt die from hunger long before FDR came around.
I am prepared for the day I lose my job, I save and I save food and I grow a garden to sustain my life, we had farmers, farms, places to work to grow food instead we have twinkes and cake on food stamps. I am prepared to live on this planet as independent from the people who go thru life needing governments to run their lives lets see when a economic disaster really happens at the hands of this trust government where will they get FOOD then?
Like I said they will be animals when hungry and that is why they create these programs to keep them in line.
Oh you are a nice piece of work. Animals. Love it.
People DID in fact starve to death back then. Food stamps has eradicated that. But most importantly (and this is VITAL) food stamps have eradicated malnutrition for the most part. Boosting the average IQ in this nation by 2 points I seem to recall. That matters. It matters a LOT.
I love this part especially:
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. FYI i'm part irish, seems like some of my family didnt die from hunger long before FDR came around.
The operative word is: some. Yes some of your family survived. Congratulations. I want to live in a country where all of your family would survive, and none of them would be brain damaged from malnutrition.
Several things have to change about the way government runs its business of which should follow laws that are only in the constitution and welfare programs and laws that BENEFIT businesses and or punish people for making a living needs to end.
Remove most of the FEDERAL income taxes would be a good start.
Make a 3% federal sales tax.
I will have more money to spend, ALOT more and of which will fund the government and business and create jobs faster then OBAMA and move his lying lips.
I could eat out more, give more tips, and with someone who had a REALLY good job they would be buying more expensive and adding memberships, expanding cable packages, tvs, clothes etc etc.. this would be the economic boom that changes poor and those getting by to move up, get higher pay, expanding companies. The only thing that would stop it would be the government because it wouldnt requrie them to tax and spend us.. We would spend they would be left to limit on what they can borrow and spend depending on the American worker as we spend with that 3% federal sales tax. That is all they get.
Good god. Most Americans pay virtually nothing in federal income tax. I wonder though, you seem to rant about constitutionality quite a bit, but where is Congress going to get the power to levy a sales tax if the activity does not involve interstate commerce?
General welfare as per the constitution does not mean FOOD stamps.
The government is not around to organize large projects.. it is to protect liberty, the rights of free individuals and the protection of which is granted for a free exercise against the government when they go beyond this basic rights. The problem is the loose power government is using on its citizens is limiting freedom and creating a society of uneducated, (public schools), food stamp, TV watching idiots who know nothing of liberty and what rights they have in this country and what the government can't do.
70 trillion in entitlements are coming by 2035 with SS so unless you can find this magic 70 trillion its broke, but since we have 35 years at this rate its broke. This number is the government numbers look it up.
Read some books on Ron Paul economics and free economic concepts.
If you don't think SNAP is constitutional then sue, that's what most people do anyway. SS isn't broke, they just have to cut payments by 28%.
OP, you do realize that food stamps is a separate program from Section 8 housing (their free rent you speak of, which is even then not true- most are a % paid of their rent), as well as their free phone (which they only get 250 free minutes a month), as well as their electric bill (again not all paid, a % paid), and their medical (which by the way SUCKS). Qualifying for one program does not mean they get the rest.
A Food Pantry is NOT run by foodstamps. They have their own rules. You can have certain income guidelines, just in in the area, only get a box of food, get a big shopping trip- they make up the rules.
A single person in Ohio gets $200/mnth in foodstamps. They could go to my local food pantry and get 2 boxes of food (canned, boxed, a meat) to help last a month. That does NOT mean their rent is paid, electric, phone- again those are separate programs.
Most places to get help require income guidelines. For example Community Action Agency here in Cincinnati will NOT help you with rent unless your income is 2x your rent. So whether you need $20 for rent or $400, they will not help you unless you meet the requirements.
Because inside me I choose to work for life, not be dependent fool to the government.
I prefer my liberty over the idea that my life is now even my food comes at the work of a government or another human being who is also working hard.
What right do government or other men to take from others and give to those who give them power.
This is not freedom to me. Of which is why I refuse to be a part of that system.
Those who take food stamps have admitted defeat bow down and believe they are entitled to others peoples money.
Yet you are dependent on the government! Everyone living in America is dependent on government because a stable federal government and state and local governments, enables everything else to work. It's the governments that you hate that enable our power grid to function, our communications systems to function, our entire economy to function, etc. You don't believe me? Look at how people are forced to live where there isn't a strong, stable central government and stable local governments. Heck, look at how the backwoods areas of America struggled before there were canals and plank turnpikes and railroads! Look at the Southeast before the Tennessee Valley Authority! The internet you're posting on is the result of government support!
Get a clue. Anarchy doesn't work. That's been demonstrated throughout history. What you get is petty warlords who rule however they want.
Since you don't like it here and think that your fellow Americans are either fools or animals, maybe you should pack your bags and head for some anarchistic haven like Somalia where maybe you can become a warlord yourself and force children to starve so you can hoard your pieces of silver.
Since you don't like it here and think that your fellow Americans are either fools or animals, maybe you should pack your bags and head for some anarchistic haven like Somalia where maybe you can become a warlord yourself and force children to starve so you can hoard your pieces of silver.
Actually Somalia has been getting better and more organized. I think he'd find that they have too many government restrictions. Apparently some of the more successful warlords want a functioning government that benefits both them and the people.
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Most Americans pay virtually nothing in federal income tax. I wonder though, you seem to rant about constitutionality quite a bit, but where is Congress going to get the power to levy a sales tax if the activity does not involve interstate commerce?
