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The 2nd Amendment is a blemish on the U.S. constitution....and our gun culture is an embarassing national shame.
No offense to the honest hunters out there. That can be sensibly regulated. But it is the gun nuts who insist they walk into coffee shops and public places with guns that make me sick. Grown men who still want to play army. I'll leave that to our professional men and women in the U.S. military.
I'll tell you what makes me sick: Weak willies that won't take the responsibility to be prepared to protect themselves and their loved ones from harm. These spineless pansies expect others to shoulder that responsibility for them. Disgusting. These people are a blemish on the character of America.
I'll tell you what makes me sick: Weak willies that won't take the responsibility to be prepared to protect themselves and their loved ones from harm. These spineless pansies expect others to shoulder that responsibility for them. Disgusting. These people are a blemish on the character of America.
God Damn Right, Just because they are unable to see or unwilling to act in defense of all the claim to care about, they wish to make us as weak, incompatible, and cowardly as they are...
In short, he is a man begging for subjugation. He longs for its promise of equality in helplessness. Because only when that strange, independent alpha breed of male is helpless along with him will he feel adequate. Indeed, his freedom lies in this other man's containment.
God Damn Right, Just because they are unable to see or unwilling to act in defense of all the claim to care about, they wish to make us as weak, incompatible, and cowardly as they are...
In short, he is a man begging for subjugation. He longs for its promise of equality in helplessness. Because only when that strange, independent alpha breed of male is helpless along with him will he feel adequate. Indeed, his freedom lies in this other man's containment.
that sort of person would rather watch a crime being committed, even if it against their own family, than to take the steps necessary to protect their own family.
And rest assured I have no problem with this reasoning in and of itself. But the Constitution doesn't allow for these exceptions. It just says the right to bear arms shouldn't be infringed... and that's it! So I do think the amendment needs to be changed, or people should stop pretending that any debate to do with guns is about the Constitution. It clearly isn't. People lean on the Constitution when it's convenient; look the other way when it isn't.
However the Constitution does say
"No person... ...or be denied the right to life, liberty or property without due process of law."
What is liberty but the freedom to exercise a natural right?
Therefore if liberty is the freedom to exercise a natural right, then the 5th Amendment clearly states that the exercise of that right can be curtailed by due process of law. Have felons received due process? They also lose the right to freedom of associate for a period, freedom of movement, and freedom to assemble, and be safe from unfair search and seizure. Do we also want to change the first, and fourth to cover that possibility and add an amendment to provide for that exception to the privileges and immunities clause?
Or should we just let the 5th Amendment handle that for us (since it already exists and provides for those exceptions)?
However the Constitution does say
"No person... ...or be denied the right to life, liberty or property without due process of law."
What is liberty but the freedom to exercise a natural right?
Therefore if liberty is the freedom to exercise a natural right, then the 5th Amendment clearly states that the exercise of that right can be curtailed by due process of law. Have felons received due process? They also lose the right to freedom of associate for a period, freedom of movement, and freedom to assemble, and be safe from unfair search and seizure. Do we also want to change the first, and fourth to cover that possibility and add an amendment to provide for that exception to the privileges and immunities clause?
Or should we just let the 5th Amendment handle that for us (since it already exists and provides for those exceptions)?
Well the Fifth Amendment is far too vague, let's be honest. It makes the Second Amendment look well written. I think everything - starting with the Second - should be more specific and clear. Besides, what protection is that from the powers that be (Wasn't that the point)? It means that any law that passes... has the power to rip those guns away anyway, you know? Make one trivial activity a crime, and voila, you can disarm the entire nation as per the Fifth!
From a purely practical standpoint, repeal of the Second Amendment would require the amendment of the Constitution of nearly EVERY State and Commonwealth!
What does YOUR State or Commonwealth Constitution say about the Right to Bear Arms?
I have checked three of them, Montana, Wyoming, and Washington. ALL of them have the right To Bear Arms included, and ALL of them require the citizens to come to the aid of civil authority "when thereto legally summoned" (quoting the Montana Constitution).
Now, what do you think the chances are of amending the Federal Constitution, AND the Constitutions of all 50 states? I think it would be a nightmare of epic proportions!
Get a copy of the Constitution of YOUR State or Commonwealth, and sit down with your favorite beverage and snacks and READ it! You might be surprised at what is in there!
Besides, IMO, it is your OBLIGATION as a citizen to KNOW your Constitution!
Oh, and that little clause about coming to the aid of civil authority? If you do not have any guns and ammunition, just what kind of aid can you render? Seems to me we are back to the "Unorganized Militia" referred to in Title 10, United States Code. YOU are expected to supply your own weapons to aid the civil authority! Can YOU comply with your own State Constitution?
I can.
Well the Fifth Amendment is far too vague, let's be honest. It makes the Second Amendment look well written. I think everything - starting with the Second - should be more specific and clear. Besides, what protection is that from the powers that be (Wasn't that the point)? It means that any law that passes... has the power to rip those guns away anyway, you know? Make one trivial activity a crime, and voila, you can disarm the entire nation as per the Fifth!
Significant...
Due process for a felony is well established, you need to be found guilty by a jury of your peers, not a faceless government organ, therefore jury nullification is an option for laws deemed too trivial by the public.
To disarm the public would require a trial of every US Citizen, it's logistically impossible, if it was done on a person by person basis it would currently take 172 years (give or take) to complete (based on 10.9 judges per 100,000 in the US and a trial taking an average of a week) people would be born and die and not come to trial over that period. It cannot be done wholesale for example charging 320 million people with some trivial act now deemed a felony, as Judges and Jurors under indictment cannot operate in that capacity, but if it were how long do you think that trial would last? 320 million people being defended by how many legal counsel, all eligible to give evidence in their defense, at one person per hour if it ran 24x7x52 it would take roughly 36,600 (to 3SF) years.
Any law that is passed cannot be directly intended to remove guns from the ownership of the people (that would violate the 2nd).
That said many, many, many trivial activities are indeed crimes and even felonies. The average American commits a felony crime per day, because they're subject to IRS, BATFE, USDA, EPA, FDA, DHS, etc. etc. etc. rules and regulations that are malum prohibitum, for example giving someone a hydrocodone you were prescribed for an injury and have remaining because they have a tooth ache is a felony (several actually including possibly practicing medicine without a license) and ignorance of the law is no defense, although that's well a reasonably well known example. With the number of Federal, State, and local laws, everyone in the US would have to be a legal scholar just to know what the majority of the laws are, and that doesn't cover the marginal laws like potentially cutting down a tree on your own property, or changing your property drainage.
that sort of person would rather watch a crime being committed, even if it against their own family, than to take the steps necessary to protect their own family.
And we who want and will be the victors instead of the victims are the bad guys and must be disarmed..
This is just more proof that leftist are mentally ill, and the mentally ill can not help or treat themselves..They have to be helped or left to fend for themselves..
Due process for a felony is well established, you need to be found guilty by a jury of your peers, not a faceless government organ, therefore jury nullification is an option for laws deemed too trivial by the public.
To disarm the public would require a trial of every US Citizen, it's logistically impossible, if it was done on a person by person basis it would currently take 172 years (give or take) to complete (based on 10.9 judges per 100,000 in the US and a trial taking an average of a week) people would be born and die and not come to trial over that period. It cannot be done wholesale for example charging 320 million people with some trivial act now deemed a felony, as Judges and Jurors under indictment cannot operate in that capacity, but if it were how long do you think that trial would last? 320 million people being defended by how many legal counsel, all eligible to give evidence in their defense, at one person per hour if it ran 24x7x52 it would take roughly 36,600 (to 3SF) years.
Any law that is passed cannot be directly intended to remove guns from the ownership of the people (that would violate the 2nd).
That said many, many, many trivial activities are indeed crimes and even felonies. The average American commits a felony crime per day, because they're subject to IRS, BATFE, USDA, EPA, FDA, DHS, etc. etc. etc. rules and regulations that are malum prohibitum, for example giving someone a hydrocodone you were prescribed for an injury and have remaining because they have a tooth ache is a felony (several actually including possibly practicing medicine without a license) and ignorance of the law is no defense, although that's well a reasonably well known example. With the number of Federal, State, and local laws, everyone in the US would have to be a legal scholar just to know what the majority of the laws are, and that doesn't cover the marginal laws like potentially cutting down a tree on your own property, or changing your property drainage.
And the left mocks us, calls us "insane" or "paranoid" yet when they run afoul, when they step on one of the countless legal landmines they will be the loudest person screaming for help, wanting to end the federal and state Leviathan they so blindly worshiped..
Well I didn't mean "disarm the whole nation" literally, just that anyone in the nation could be targeted quite easily.
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