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Old 03-17-2015, 01:48 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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The climate would be more stable warmer. The weather well maybe, maybe not.

During the last ice age the sea level was going up and down 3 to 6 feet every 1,500 years. That means a lot of swings in climate. The little ice age pushed the sea level 6 inches at most.
Do you not understand that climate is just weather over a period of time? Heat feeds violent storms, there is no getting around that fact.
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Old 03-17-2015, 02:32 PM
 
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Do you not understand that climate is just weather over a period of time? Heat feeds violent storms, there is no getting around that fact.
Actually the collision of cold and warm air masses feed violent storms. That is why some of the most violent storms on earth happen in the Midwest during the Spring months when cold air from Canada collides with warm moist air from the Gulf of Mexico
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Old 03-17-2015, 02:47 PM
 
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Do you not understand that climate is just weather over a period of time?
peak high temp, peak low temp, average precipitation, deviation from normal, that is climate. Rain today rain tomorrow that is weather.
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Heat feeds violent storms, there is no getting around that fact.
Violent storms is just the weather. Ice age or not, that is climate.
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Old 03-17-2015, 03:07 PM
 
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Do you not understand that climate is just weather over a period of time? Heat feeds violent storms, there is no getting around that fact.
Do you know where the term raining cats and dogs came from?

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“On Wednesday before Easter, Anno 1666, a pasture field at Cranstead near Wrotham in Kent, about two acres, which is far from any part of the sea or branch of it, and a place where are no fish ponds, but a scarcity of water, was all overspread with little fishes, conceived to be rained down, there having been at that time a great tempest of thunder and rain; the fishes were about the length of a man’s little finger, and judged by all that saw them to be whitings, many of them were taken up and shewed to several persons; the field belonged to one Ware a Yeoman, who was at that Easter-Sessions one of the Grand Inquest, and carried some of them to the Sessions at Maidstone in Kent, and he shewed them, among others, to Mr. Lake, a bencher of the Middle Temple, who had one of them and brought it to London, the truth of it was averred by many that saw the fishes lie scattered all over that field, and none in other the fields thereto adjoining: The quantity of them was estimated to be about a bushel, being all together.â€
Rains of Fishes | Natural History Magazine
It didn't rain cats and dogs, but the weather in Europe during the little ice age was far more saver than what they have now. Twelve inch hailstones were reported.

https://books.google.com/books?id=W4...page&q&f=false

Texas doesn't get twelve inch hailstones now.
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Old 03-17-2015, 03:19 PM
 
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According to a paper just published in the Quaternary Science Reviews, a journal featuring peer-reviewed research on paleoclimatology, geology, soil science and other geographic and meteorological disciplines, which reconstructs storm activity in Iceland over the past 12 centuries, finds that extreme weather variability and intensive storm activity was far more common during the Little Ice Age than it was during the Medieval Warm Period and the 20th century.
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The paper concludes that cold periods increase storm activity because of the increase in thermal gradient between the tropics and poles

Global warming actually decreases storm activity, says science paper - NaturalNews.com
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Old 03-17-2015, 03:32 PM
 
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As temperatures rise, there will be a proportional reduction in fossil fuel expenditure to heat human dwellings.

This could cause a drastic reduction in atmospheric carbon dioxide, which could speed us into the next ice age.

I'm shivering just thinking about it.
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Old 03-17-2015, 03:52 PM
 
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Storm violence worse during periods of cooling, not warming
So are we warming or cooling? Or that would be an inconvenient observation for the AGW crowd.
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Old 03-17-2015, 03:53 PM
 
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So are we warming or cooling? Or that would be an inconvenient observation for the AGW crowd.
It doesn't appear to matter. They prescribe the same package of solutions regardless.
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Old 03-17-2015, 03:54 PM
 
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It doesn't appear to matter. They prescribe the same package of solutions regardless.
I wish I'd said that.
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Old 03-17-2015, 04:39 PM
 
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Ice, albedo, fresh water in the North Atlantic, There is a repeating cycle every 1,500 years approximately going back 2 million years or more. The magnitude of that cycle is approximately proportional to the amount of ice.

Ice drives feedback loops, some positive some negative, for both warming and cooling. Eliminate the ice and you eliminate the feedback loops and you don't amplify the noise in the system.

Feedback loop. Ice is white. It reflects a lot of light. Cooler gets more white making it cooler still. Warmer make it less white, getting warmer still. That is the simplest one. There are more complicated ones.
There are other climate drivers besides just feedback loops. Ocean circulation springs to mind-- slowdowns in the thermohaline circulation are thought to be responsible for the 1500 year cycles (known as Dansgaard-Oeschger events).
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