Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
Corrected? Why did something so deliberately crafted and egregious go into print in the first place? It exemplifies, yet again, how 'Climate' hysterics' values can't be trusted.
After all, according to its publisher, "We are the best there is. We are confident of the data we have used and of the cartography."
"A spokeswoman for Times Atlas defended the 15% figure and the new map. "We are the best there is. We are confident of the data we have used and of the cartography."
That is not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about the rate of flow out of this glacier https://goo.gl/maps/LB6ib as well as this one https://goo.gl/maps/jTFUo those two are flowing a lot of ice. The rate of ice flow has doubled in the last 5 years. If it keeps doubling every 5 years it will empty the entire ice sheet in 55 years. It the rate ice loss growth goes up with increasing temperature it will be faster.
The theory of manmade warming is the most basic chemistry and physics, and has been reproduced in the lab over and over, and has also been directly observed in the atmosphere:
1860-1880---- 21 years----Decadal trend----0.163
1910-1940----31 years-----Decadal trend----0.15
1975-1998 ----24 years-----Decadal trend---0.166
1975-2009----35 years-----Decadal trend---0.161 BBC News - Q&A: Professor Phil Jones
Has it been established how much of the warming from the periods above is man made and how much natural? No. Does the current warming show any statistically significant deviation from early 20th century warming? No.
Global warming occurred both at the beginning and at the end of the 20th century, but a cooling trend is seen from about 1940 to 1975. Has it been established what caused the mid century cooling trend? No. They speculate aerosols, cold PDO, cold Atlantic oscillation. Don't know for sure.
1860-1880---- 21 years----Decadal trend----0.163
1910-1940----31 years-----Decadal trend----0.15
1975-1998 ----24 years-----Decadal trend---0.166
1975-2009----35 years-----Decadal trend---0.161 BBC News - Q&A: Professor Phil Jones
Has it been established how much of the warming from the periods above is man made and how much natural? No. Does the current warming show any statistically significant deviation from early 20th century warming? No.
Global warming occurred both at the beginning and at the end of the 20th century, but a cooling trend is seen from about 1940 to 1975. Has it been established what caused the mid century cooling trend? No. They speculate aerosols, cold PDO, cold Atlantic oscillation. Don't know for sure.
I've seen that interview. He contradicts the 97% meme that is still used daily.
Here is a written interview with Phil Jones - the liberal AGW "God".
B - Do you agree that from 1995 to the present there has been no statistically-significant global warming
Yes, but only just. I also calculated the trend for the period 1995 to 2009. This trend (0.12C per decade) is positive, but not significant at the 95% significance level. The positive trend is quite close to the significance level. Achieving statistical significance in scientific terms is much more likely for longer periods, and much less likely for shorter periods.
In your own link it says that scientists "believe" that the AMOC.....
Quote:
THE STUDY FOUND THAT THE AMOC HAS BEEN WEAKENING SINCE THE 1920S
What would you want us to do about it? Do you think we can fix it with a carbon tax? How about telling the Indians and Chinese Not to build fossil fuel power plants, and give cheap reliable electricity for the 600 million+ people in those two countries without a light bulb in their huts
Not out of the realm of possibility, a complete shutdown of the AMOC could caused major cooling for Europe.
Quote:
Abstract
The impacts of a hypothetical slowdown in the Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation (AMOC) are assessed in a state-of-the-art global climate model (HadGEM3), with particular emphasis on Europe. This is the highest resolution coupled global climate model to be used to study the impacts of an AMOC slowdown so far. Many results found are consistent with previous studies and can be considered robust impacts from a large reduction or collapse of the AMOC. These include: widespread cooling throughout the North Atlantic and northern hemisphere in general; less precipitation in the northern hemisphere midlatitudes; large changes in precipitation in the tropics and a strengthening of the North Atlantic storm track. The focus on Europe, aided by the increase in resolution, has revealed previously undiscussed impacts, particularly those associated with changing atmospheric circulation patterns. Summer precipitation decreases (increases) in northern (southern) Europe and is associated with a negative summer North Atlantic Oscillation signal. Winter precipitation is also affected by the changing atmospheric circulation, with localised increases in precipitation associated with more winter storms and a strengthened winter storm track. Stronger westerly winds in winter increase the warming maritime effect while weaker westerlies in summer decrease the cooling maritime effect. In the absence of these circulation changes the cooling over Europe’s landmass would be even larger in both seasons. The general cooling and atmospheric circulation changes result in weaker peak river flows and vegetation productivity, which may raise issues of water availability and crop production.
The Gulf Stream is slowing faster than at any time in the last millennium, claims a new paper published in the journal Nature Climate Change.
But the paper, whose co-authors include one Michael E Mann, appears to be contradicted by real-world evidence Geophysical Research Letters,.
One of the authors H. Thomas Rossby, professor at the URI Graduate School of Oceanography states: says
Quote:
“There are variations of the current over time that are natural — and yes, we need to understand these better — but we find absolutely no evidence that suggests that the Gulf Stream is slowing down.
Quote:
Rossby says, there is good reason to be concerned about the long-term stability of the Gulf Stream, since if the Gulf Stream were slowing, a decrease in the flow of warm water to the northern North Atlantic could cause significant cooling in parts of Europe. But the data tell him that there is no evidence that this is happening, contrary to recent claims in the literature.
So why the discrepancy? Rosby measures the Gulf Stream using an incredibly accurate device called an acoustic Doppler current profiler (ADCP), Rahmstorf, Mann et al prefer to use computer models, and we know how accurate computer models are right?
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.
Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
