Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 06-23-2014, 11:16 AM
 
16,545 posts, read 13,459,609 times
Reputation: 4243

Advertisements

Quote:
Originally Posted by desertdetroiter View Post
There is no such thing as a war on coal.

Sorry.
So it's not real like the war on women?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 06-23-2014, 11:21 AM
 
Location: Stasis
15,823 posts, read 12,471,721 times
Reputation: 8599
The US is also increasing it's exports of coal - mainly to China. I believe exports were 4% of production ten years ago and are now at 12%.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-23-2014, 11:45 AM
 
56,988 posts, read 35,227,522 times
Reputation: 18824
Quote:
Originally Posted by SourD View Post
So it's not real like the war on women?
I don't know anything about a war on women.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-23-2014, 11:48 AM
 
Location: Dallas
31,292 posts, read 20,756,723 times
Reputation: 9330
Quote:
Originally Posted by DRob4JC View Post
Whatever that case may be - Obama is not taking out coal. He is making it more expensive to produce - and in the process weeding out some smaller companies so the industry may be easier to control in dealing with a few big players only.
Government controlling markets almost always results in the rich getting richer. It's called Crony Capitalism. It costs working Americans in many ways and transfers wealth from working class Americans to the rich elite.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-23-2014, 11:49 AM
 
Location: Dallas
31,292 posts, read 20,756,723 times
Reputation: 9330
Quote:
Originally Posted by desertdetroiter View Post
There is no war on coal to begin with. So it's a moot point.
Will you please tell Obama. He didn't get that message.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-23-2014, 11:55 AM
 
Location: Dallas
31,292 posts, read 20,756,723 times
Reputation: 9330
Quote:
Originally Posted by Juram View Post
The problem is that most "green" technologies cannot handle the burden of providing a backbone to the grid. You look at Germany which has the highest solar power capacity in the world and they've been building coal plants at a breakneck speed to replace their nuclear power facilities. Renewables are a good thing but have a substantial amount of limitations. With solar, we have no reliable and affordable storage technology to allow storage of power for night-time, cloudy days...etc. Until that happens, the use of it will be limited at best. You will need a stable fossil fuel or nuclear source that will make sure that everyone's power isn't going on and off every 5 minutes.
Not to mention the huge cost increase of solar.

The problem is we are forcing the use of wind and solar a decade or more before they are ready. That's what happens when the government pursues it's agenda.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-23-2014, 12:50 PM
 
663 posts, read 504,168 times
Reputation: 114
Quote:
Originally Posted by DRob4JC View Post
What Green Revolution? Coal Use Highest In 44 Years

U.S. President Barack Obama may be engaging in a “war on coal” with carbon regulations intended to shrink coal’s share of energy production, but worldwide, coal is in its strongest position in decades. In 2013, enough coal was burned to meet 30.1 percent of the world’s energy demands -- its highest share since 1970, according to new data from BP’s Statistical Review of World Energy.

Whatever that case may be - Obama is not taking out coal. He is making it more expensive to produce - and in the process weeding out some smaller companies so the industry may be easier to control in dealing with a few big players only.

Coal use is up - interested to hear some other thoughts on this.
Sorry, that's called P-A-R-A-N-O-I-A.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-23-2014, 01:08 PM
 
Location: Someplace Wonderful
5,177 posts, read 4,794,097 times
Reputation: 2587
Quote:
Originally Posted by Juram View Post
The problem is that most "green" technologies cannot handle the burden of providing a backbone to the grid. You look at Germany which has the highest solar power capacity in the world and they've been building coal plants at a breakneck speed to replace their nuclear power facilities. Renewables are a good thing but have a substantial amount of limitations. With solar, we have no reliable and affordable storage technology to allow storage of power for night-time, cloudy days...etc. Until that happens, the use of it will be limited at best. You will need a stable fossil fuel or nuclear source that will make sure that everyone's power isn't going on and off every 5 minutes.
For many decades, the old Telephone Company technology powered their highly reliable telephone system by DC battery. I have been told (though I have not researched it) that Tesla DC backbones would serve just fine. Tesla, of course, was outmaneuvered by Edison, hence our modern AC system.

Can someone be so kind as to provide a bit of background on this? I would appreciate the education.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-23-2014, 01:12 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
38,936 posts, read 23,912,657 times
Reputation: 14125
Let's remember that any time we talk coal, let's remember that it includes China who isn't trying to decrease their carbon emissions at all. If we all decrease carbon emissions except say China, that would hurt it.

Quote:
Originally Posted by desertdetroiter View Post
There is no war on coal to begin with. So it's a moot point.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber View Post
Right, it is just another lame political bumper sticker line.
Quote:
Originally Posted by DRob4JC View Post
Publicly - yes there is. You know that.




Finn - You know this also. I hold you to a higher standard - at least deal with the truth here.
"The war on coal" is an energy company bumper sticker rallying cry that it drives up costs and shuts them down.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-23-2014, 02:05 PM
 
29,407 posts, read 22,017,439 times
Reputation: 5455
It is how Obama got the greenies on his side. Evil coal and evil oil will destroy the earth. They were dumb enough to fall for it all. It appears coal use up and earth still here...........how can that be?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:


Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies
Similar Threads

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 12:44 AM.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top