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Old 06-29-2014, 07:25 AM
 
Location: ATX-HOU
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Originally Posted by nononsenseguy View Post
Healthcare coverage for the "poor' was never the intent of ObamaCare. Control, and more money for the Federal bureaucrats to dole out as they see fit, was.

In other words, taking even more money out ot the hands of the private sector was always the goal, and putting the Federal government in charge of a major part of your life.
Lolz. On the otherhand, our wars this millennium gave trillions of tax payer money to the private sector.

Sooo really it's a wash!
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Old 06-29-2014, 07:26 AM
 
Location: ATX-HOU
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Before ACA to get Medicaid in Michigan you had to be poor......and if you were an adult....disabled.

Now....it is JUST income.....not assets.
Do the poor often much assets, if any?
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Old 06-29-2014, 08:15 AM
 
Location: USA
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There's a long-standing narrative on the hard right--spread by talk radio, the internet, etc.--that poor people have it made. They all supposedly get free HC (Medicaid), free meals (SNAP), free housing (section 8), etc. The poor (who are usually envisioned as being urban blacks) supposedly get all this free stuff and live lavish lifestyles all at the expense of hard-working, middle-class white Americans. Of course, it is utter rubbish, and easy to disprove. But facts and logic have nothing to do with how most people form their ideas. Most people just believe whatever appeals to their emotions. And appealing to frustrated, resentful, downwardly mobile white Americans by demonizing the poor is a long-standing tradition...
Exactly.

A simple search of the facts will prove that it is very difficult to even survive on social safety nets alone, much less live a lavish lifestyle, but right wing nuts don't care about facts.

Over in the Employment forum, we have right wing extremists who actually think that unemployment pays out forever and pays as well as one's job; both of those statements are easily proven false with even a casual search online. These same lunatics honestly believe that by cutting all social safety nets, that will somehow magically create jobs which will then "motivate" the unemployed to find work?! The degree of failed logic in such beliefs is stunning, but all too common for those on the far right, sadly.
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Old 06-29-2014, 08:57 AM
 
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The question is, where do YOU get the idea that the poor do NOT get Medicaid?

Do you have ANY idea what Medicaid is? I doubt it.

??? Before Obamacare, poor adults generally who did not have dependent children were not covered by Medicaid unless their state chose to spend state tax dollars to cover them.

48 million poor Americans, 16 million children = at least 32 million poor adults. Hunger and Poverty Facts - Bread for the World: Have Faith. End Hunger.

We don't know how many were covered under Medicare or how many of these poor adults were covered by Medicaid but it's certainly reasonable to suggest that a substantial number were not covered under Medicaid. Perhaps half doesn't sound like an unreasonable estimate. So before Obamacare, a majority of poor childless adults were not covered under Medicaid.

Obamacare expanded Medicaid to cover all the poor childless adults who previously were not eligible for Medicaid. But SCOTUS rules that Congress could not impose an unfunded mandate to expand Medicaid, and since states must pay part of the cost of covering the newly-eligible, states could opt out of expansion. Currently, 20 states have chosen not to expand Medicaid.

So under ACA, many poor people still are not covered under Medicaid; it truly is a program for favored subgroups of the poor.
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Old 06-29-2014, 09:01 AM
 
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Do the poor often much assets, if any?

Many poor people DO have assets; most poor retirees own their home. Disabled adults often have assets which they acquired before they became disabled.
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Old 06-29-2014, 05:56 PM
 
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Determine Cost of Care - Health Benefits

uhm yes


btw I am 100% covered as a 5 time combat vet



I have NO service-related health problems. I do make a small co-pay when using the VA. But it is a standard payment that does not seem to be connected to the total cost of my care.

A neurologist ordered a quite expensive genetic test to confirm one his diagnosis. I had to pay nothing extra for the expensive genetic test...or the visit to the neurologist.
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