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Old 07-01-2014, 04:28 PM
 
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It was the Supreme Court that made the decision.

Now go back to how you got your birth control in 2011 before HHS stuck their nose into everyone's business.

This Supreme Court decision shows that it's going to be a while yet before the US turns communist.
The conservative dominated Supreme Court, whose decision will be staunchly defended and attempted to be expanded upon by elected and rank and file conservatives.

Again, the conservative argument of why should an employee's own health insurance pay for birth control is idiotic.

Why should an employyes's health insurance cover asthma medicine or diabetes medicine or heart medicine. Why? Oh yes because it is medical care that people useand that should be the end of it.

But because conservatives are anti-birth control in 2014, they insist that an employee's own health insurance paying for that employees medical care in the form of birth control is some foreign idea that the employee should just pay for out of pocket.

Why is birth control different from other medical care because birth control allows women to have sex in ways that on conservatives seek to control.

Hence we get the supreme court saying in 2014 a corporation is a person with religious beliefs whose sincerely held religious beliefs allow them to violate the law and deny medical coverage to their employees health insurance plans so long as its birth control and only birth control.


It is an insane way to argue the issue, but that's where conservatives are anti-birth control in 2014.
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Old 07-01-2014, 04:31 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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The conservative dominated Supreme Court, whose decision will be staunchly defended and attempted to be expanded upon by elected and rank and file conservatives.

Again, the conservative argument of why should an employee's own health insurance pay for birth control is idiotic.

Why should an employyes's health insurance cover asthma medicine or diabetes medicine or heart medicine. Why? Oh yes because it is medical care that people useand that should be the end of it.

But because conservatives are anti-birth control in 2014, they insist that an employee's own health insurance paying for that employees medical care in the form of birth control is some foreign idea that the employee should just pay for out of pocket.

Why is birth control different from other medical care because birth control allows women to have sex in ways that on conservatives seek to control.

Hence we get the supreme court saying in 2014 a corporation is a person with religious beliefs whose sincerely held religious beliefs allow them to violate the law and deny medical coverage to their employees health insurance plans so long as its birth control and only birth control.


It is an insane way to argue the issue, but that's where conservatives are anti-birth control in 2014.
If you feel that strongly then refuse any employer health insurance and go get your own.
Obamacare is there but for a click of the mouse and a 20 minute wait.

Go get all your health concerns taken care of by your government.

No one is forced to take their employer health insurance.
And no one is forced to take a job. It is offered to you and you accept.

SCOTUS struck down yet another mandate of Obamacare.....
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Old 07-01-2014, 04:31 PM
 
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"To allow them to violate the law"? The law is not being violated; it's invalidated because it is not constitutional.
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Old 07-01-2014, 04:33 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Hence we get the supreme court saying in 2014 a corporation is a person with religious beliefs whose sincerely held religious beliefs allow them to violate the law and deny medical coverage to their employees health insurance plans so long as its birth control and only birth control.


It is an insane way to argue the issue, but that's where conservatives are anti-birth control in 2014.
No they didn't. Go back and read the ruling.

HL is a privately held corporation.
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Old 07-01-2014, 04:37 PM
 
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Any lie that this was not 100% about being anti-birth control was destroyed by the supreme court clarifying

The Supreme Court on Tuesday confirmed that its decision a day earlier extending religious rights to closely held corporations applies broadly to the contraceptive coverage requirement in the new health care law, not just the handful of methods the justices considered in their ruling.

The radical nature of conservatives is something that more American need understand.

conservatives are anti-birth control in 2014. Not just anti-choice, but anti-birth control.

To conservatives employee health insurance that doesn't pay for medical care is ok as long as that medical care is birth-control.

Why because birth control in the twisted minds of conservatives allows women to have sex in ways that conservatives want to control.

So opposing birth control in the twisted minds of conservatives isn't opposing medical care, nah it is opposing women having immoral sex.

conservatives continue to drift further and further away from reality.
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Old 07-01-2014, 04:38 PM
 
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No they didn't. Go back and read the ruling.

HL is a privately held corporation.
Yes they did.
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Old 07-01-2014, 04:41 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Yes they did.
And that applies to the 50 other companies owned by Catholics that don't want to pay for any form of birth control.

Separation of Church and State. SCOTUS made the right decision.

You can still get your birth control but it's going to be opening your own wallet for it as opposed to forcing someone else with different religious beliefs to pay for it.


Hobby Lobby Supreme Court ruling applies to contraceptive coverage under new health care law | OregonLive.com
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Old 07-01-2014, 04:42 PM
 
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It was the Supreme Court that made the decision.

Now go back to how you got your birth control in 2011 before HHS stuck their nose into everyone's business.

This Supreme Court decision shows that it's going to be a while yet before the US turns communist.
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Even before the mandate under the Affordable Care Act kicked in, nearly 90 percent of U.S. employers – large and small – covered contraception. And very few, or 12 percent, had some kind of limit on contraceptive coverage, according to a study of 779 employers by benefits consultancy Mercer in March of 2011.

Contraceptives were covered by 88 percent of respondents with “little variation in prevalence by employer size,” Mercer said.

“Only 12% of those providing coverage placed any type of limit on the coverage in 2010,” the Mercer report said. “None of the respondents with limits chose to drop coverage in 2011. While 10% dropped the use of coverage limits in 2011, most (90%) made no changes.”
SCOTUS' Hobby Lobby Ruling Means Little To Employers Already Giving Coverage - Forbes

You have to ask was this about that very small percentage of employers who oppose abortifacients or was this about religion in general...
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Old 07-01-2014, 04:45 PM
 
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Originally Posted by HappyTexan View Post
If you feel that strongly then refuse any employer health insurance and go get your own.
Obamacare is there but for a click of the mouse and a 20 minute wait.

Go get all your health concerns taken care of by your government.

No one is forced to take their employer health insurance.
And no one is forced to take a job. It is offered to you and you accept.

SCOTUS struck down yet another mandate of Obamacare.....
Huh? Look again why should an employees's health insurance cover asthma medicine, or diabetes medicine or heart medicine? The answer is because that medicine is medical care that people use. That shoul be the end of it.
Yet conservatives insist that an employee's own health insurance covering medical treatment in the form of birth control is outside of that normal understanding of what health insurance covers.


Why is birth control not comsidered medical care by conservatives the same as asthma medicine or diabetes medicine, because birth control in the twisted minds of conservatives isnt medical care, itbis merely a means that allows women to have immoral sex that conservatives want to control.


And that's what this is all about. This decision will be over turned or destroyed one day that is certain. I just hope the Democratic party works to make people see how radical conservatives are on these issues.
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Old 07-01-2014, 04:47 PM
 
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The conservative dominated Supreme Court, whose decision will be staunchly defended and attempted to be expanded upon by elected and rank and file conservatives.

Again, the conservative argument of why should an employee's own health insurance pay for birth control is idiotic.

Why should an employyes's health insurance cover asthma medicine or diabetes medicine or heart medicine. Why? Oh yes because it is medical care that people useand that should be the end of it.

But because conservatives are anti-birth control in 2014, they insist that an employee's own health insurance paying for that employees medical care in the form of birth control is some foreign idea that the employee should just pay for out of pocket.

Why is birth control different from other medical care because birth control allows women to have sex in ways that on conservatives seek to control.

Hence we get the supreme court saying in 2014 a corporation is a person with religious beliefs whose sincerely held religious beliefs allow them to violate the law and deny medical coverage to their employees health insurance plans so long as its birth control and only birth control.


It is an insane way to argue the issue, but that's where conservatives are anti-birth control in 2014.
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In any event, our decision in these cases is concerned solely with the contraceptive mandate. Our decision should not be understood to hold that an insurance coverage mandate must necessarily fall if it conflicts with an employer’s religious beliefs. Other coverage requirements, such as immunizations, may be supported by different interests (for example, the need to combat the spread of infectious diseases) and may involve different arguments about the least restrictive means of providing them.
http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions...3-354_olp1.pdf

Opps... Gotta hate it when you go on a long rant that was already answered by the ruling you refuse to read because you're either too scared or wouldn't understand all those big words.

Last edited by BigJon3475; 07-01-2014 at 05:09 PM.. Reason: Correction
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